The SNES RPG Topic
From: Fleck | Posted: 12/10/2003 8:33:48 AM | Message Detail
The Nemesis topic of this one seems to be doing well, so let's see how many RPG people there really are on this board.
OK, here are the rules...
1) Only chat about RPGs allowed
2) Please don't flame, but argument is encouraged. (always brings about the best conversation)
3) Everyone has a voice here. Everyone.
4) Have fun discussing what I believe are the best games ever.
I'll start the conversation by saying that the first SNES RPG I ever played was Chrono Trigger. I loved the game. I have played several other SNES RPGS, but I think that Lufia II is my favorite, even though I haven't beaten it yet. It mixed the right blend of puzzles, leveling, strategy, and the Ancient Cave is so much fun. I will have time to post more later, but if you love SNES RPGs as much as I do, let's chat.
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From: SoTNFreak413 | Posted: 12/10/2003 8:54:57 AM | Message Detail
My First RPG was Final Fantasy still love that game my favorite would have to be one of the star oceans
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From: alfador17 | Posted: 12/10/2003 10:19:33 AM | Message Detail
My first RPG was Zelda: A Link to the Past. Actually, that was also the first game I owned. But my favorite is Chrono Trigger. I especially liked the system of double and triple techs when the characters can do one attack together. You don't see that in many RPGs. And I also liked the characters. Recruiting characters is one of my favortite parts of an RPG. Zelda is good without that feature, though. It just wouldn't fit that style of play.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/10/2003 12:13:51 PM | Message Detail
2)
Please don't flame, but argument is encouraged. (always brings about the best
conversation)
My first RPG was Zelda: A Link to the Past
*does his best Conan's exaggerated schwarzenegger impression
Noo! Dat iz not in erpug
On topic: You know someone from the anti-rpg topic is going to see this and get all pissed, don't you? The whole reason they made that board is because 80% of the topics cover rpgs, and they were fed up. So, this is like throwing the whole meaning of their topic on the ground, and running over it with a very large automobile.
Oh, and good damn job! I've been flirting with the idea of creating this topic for a while.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/10/2003 12:42:42 PM | Message Detail
I thought that maybe this topic could provide a forum for people to come and ask all of the RPG questions that normally get asked, therefore cutting down on the clutter on this board and making everyone happy. Topics like Chrono vs. FF can ask in here and if anyone has any questions about certain games, maybe we can answer them. Besides, I have actually been petitioning for there to be a SNES RPG board, but have gotten nowhere. This should give us all a place to chat and not tick anyone off that doesn't like RPGs if we can get most of the people that are going to post those topics to come here first.
Anyway, on topic... I have yet to go back through Chrono Trigger on New Game+. Are the other endings really worth going back through the game for? I mean its not like I don't want to play through the game again, but I think it would get boring to go through knowing that you can't get killed except by Lavos ever again because of how strong the characters would become.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/10/2003 12:56:25 PM | Message Detail
Are the other endings really worth going back through the game for
No, not really. If you really liked the game, I guess it might be worth it, but one ending is pretty much just as good as the next.
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From: neonreaper | Posted: 12/10/2003 1:09:07 PM | Message Detail The endings can be worth it. I suggest going through to at least one other that is different enough from the one you achieved to see how you feel about it. I personally had a soft spot for Frog so I had to go see his ending, at the very least. After 4 or so, I kinda got tired of it.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/10/2003 2:19:24 PM | Message Detail
It's worth it. Plus the fact that you can blaze through the dungeons and all since you should be very powerful now. You can be killed by weaker monsters though in the later parts of the game, if you're careless that is. (like, smashing the A button without looking at the screen)
That would be my answer right away two years ago.
As for now, I'd say sure, but I don't support the idea if you don't have the patience.
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From: mutant | Posted: 12/10/2003 2:43:34 PM | Message Detail
I always finsih RPG games without a death toll - ever since playing Zelda on the snes at 7, well that first time I died, saved and reloaded seeing that 001 and trying to figure out what it was. Once I did, I restarted with the aim of having a clean death toll. It's a habbit I've stuck with through all similar gamessince.
From: Fleck | Posted: 12/10/2003 2:55:11 PM | Message Detail
That's interesting. I used to do the same thing. I actually (you'll get a kick out of this) did the opposite with zelda and played a game until I got to 99 in that column. I didn't know what it meant and didn't know how I got there, but thought that I had done something special, took a picture of the screen, and sent it to Nintendo. I was so embarrassed when I learned what it meant that I vowed never to let myself die in a game like that again. I always reset a game after I die. Most of the time, if a character dies and doesn't get the experience for a fight (and it hasn't been too long since I've saved), I will reset. I know its stupid, but its just ingrained into my psyche for some reason.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/10/2003 3:02:11 PM | Message Detail
and played a game until I got to 99 in that column
I've done that, but it was on purpose. A friend came over, and we had a "most creative way to die" competition on a number of games.
It's not the snes, but it's funny watching someone bounce down that spike corridor in Castlevania:SotN until they die.
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From: JxRPGxK | Posted: 12/10/2003 5:37:29 PM | Message Detail
My first RPG was Chrono Trigger...for SNES anyway...but my first RPG ever was Final Fantasy 7, which I love and hate at the same time...
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From: SSJSephiroth13 | Posted: 12/10/2003 5:52:14 PM | Message Detail
Hasn't anyone here played Super Mario RPG?! That was my first RPG and I think it still rules. Nothing beats ff7 though....hehehe
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/10/2003 5:58:48 PM | Message Detail
I like Final Fantasy 7 while not at Gamefaqs. If you admit to liking it on Gamefaqs, you're usually treated to this argument:
Person A: Final Fantasy 7 isn't all that great. It's pretty bad actually.
Person B: Nooooo! ph33r i7s 1337 pwn4g3!
That will go on for 70+ posts before Person A finally degenerates down to Person B's level, and then all comprehension will cease.
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From: Crestfallen Dreamer | Posted: 12/11/2003 12:55:08 AM | Message Detail
I enjoyed going through Chrono Trigger more than once and think the New Game + is a great idea for RPGs. My first RPG was Dragon Warrior for the NES. Six months later came the first Final Fantasy and I was hooked for life on this genre. To me a lot of these games are like interactive novels, in that I can't wait to see what happens next in the story, along with who exits or enters it. Chrono Trigger definitely is my favorite RPG for the SNES.
From: Fleck | Posted: 12/11/2003 6:39:29 AM | Message Detail
Super Mario RPG is a great game. The only thing that I didn't like about it was how incredibly easy it was.
SPOILERS (kind of)!!!!
The final boss was probably the second easiest boss on SNES (next to Gaia in Illusion of Gaia). I thought I was just getting into a groove and BOOM. Its over? What?!?! The ending was pretty sweet, though. And, the graphics were some of the best on the platform. I had a lot of fun seeing everything there was to see in the game. There was also the nostalgia of playing a Mario game kind of inherently built into it as well. Like I have said in other posts, I never was the biggest Mario fan (because I suck at those games for some reason), but this installment of the Mario series was very nice. OK, I sound like I am writing a review so I'm gonna stop.
Review: Great game, too easy.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/11/2003 7:27:57 AM | Message Detail
I just recommended The Twisted Tales of Spike McFang to somebody in another thread. Has anybody else ever played it?
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/11/2003 7:57:28 AM | Message Detail
I have. Pretty nice. Boss fights aren't too easy either, which some game "cough"CT"cough" lacks.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/11/2003 8:34:36 AM | Message Detail
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/11/2003 2:17:36 PM | Message Detail
The only thing that I didn't like about it was how incredibly easy it was
Same here. Most people around here seem to think he was insanely difficult, but I didn't have any trouble.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/11/2003 8:31:05 PM | Message Detail
Techmaster: I was impressed with the boss fights also, although the last fight is a LOT easier at level 15 (or whatever the highest level was).
Camden: I'm glad somebody agrees with me. I don't consider myself some gaming god by any stretch of my ego, but I never understood why people thought that last fight was so hard. I was disappointed.
Trying to strike up more conversation, what would you consider the most underrated RPG on the SNES and why?
I am going to go with Paladin's Quest. I was one that didn't mind the pastels and thought the graphics were very well done. The story had some nice twists and, although I don't remember the ending anymore (its been a little while since I played it), I remember being satisfied that the experience was over. The coolest thing I thought about the game was the use of the Mercenaries. That provided depth and a different spin on the gameplay. I also liked the frequent use of NPCs to aid in the story. Where it had several normal "Blah, Blah, Blah" character lines, a lot of times the NPCs were very much a part of the actual story. I was actually talking to everyone rather than skipping that aspect of the game (which I normally do after a while). Great game from Enix.
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From: sweetjenn8202 | Posted: 12/11/2003 8:43:54 PM | Message Detail
I kinda like the mana series. Very difficult battle setup for me anyway. I always died alot. I kinda liked earthbound too.
From: Camden | Posted: 12/11/2003 11:27:56 PM | Message Detail
I'm glad somebody agrees with me. I don't consider myself some gaming god by any stretch of my ego
I do.
Most underrated rpg? I don't know. Most games people just ignore are generally games I don't like. Final Fantasy MQ and Secret of the Stars pop up in my mind, but I dislike both of those.
How about Uncharted Waters? I hear things about Uncharted Waters 2: New Horizons every once in a while, but I can't remember any discussion on the first one.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/12/2003 6:58:11 AM | Message Detail
New Horizons was leaps and bounds better than its predecessor. Think of Uncharted Waters as a poorly upgraded version of the NES Uncharted Waters. Actually that is exactly what it was. The graphics were much better in NH and there were more story lines. I have only played through two of them, maybe I'll go back and play the first one again, though and give it another shot. I have actually been trying to play through some Genesis RPGs, lately, but they have nothing on anything that was on the SNES.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/12/2003 9:08:58 AM | Message Detail
Agreed on Uncharted Waters. I liked NH, but UW1 just doesn't give me the same feel.
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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 12/12/2003 9:42:08 AM | Message Detail
Personally, I think the most underrated RPG on SNES is Shadowrun. It's a decent action RPG, though the menus are a little awkward and the combat is rather clunky. It's fun because it's pretty different, with the combination of scifi and fantasy elements.
I liked it enough to buy the Genesis version despite not owning the system. It's a totally different game, and from what I've heard from fans of the pen and paper game, it is more faithful to its source material.
I have actually been trying to play through some Genesis RPGs, lately, but they have nothing on anything that was on the SNES.
Hmm... Well, I've liked what I've played of the Phantasy Star series. IMO, the best one was the first one for the Master System (which had a limited released port on the Genesis in Japan), but the others are pretty good. Phantasy Star 2's ending is one of the better plot twists I've seen in a 16 bit RPG. And the whole game was rather dark and depressing as well, darker than some modern RPGs. And 4's been pretty good so far despite being rather linear and easy from what I've played so far.
Then there's Shadowrun, which I've mentioned above. And I've heard good things about Warsong/Langrisser and some other games.
So while Genesis isn't great with RPGs like the SNES, the two systems are sort of compliments to each other. Sort of like N64 and PSX.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/12/2003 3:22:54 PM | Message Detail
The graphics were much better in NH and there were more story lines
The story was very much better. I guess it's just a matter of taste, but I absolutely abhor the graphics in New Horizons.
Genesis is lacking in good rpgs, but it has a few adventure/rpgs that are good. The genesis has good strategy games as well. Both Warsongs are great, Warsong 2 being better than the snes version, DerLangisser. The Shining Force games, while easy, are very well done.
It's not an rpg, but Gunstar Heroes is one of the best games I have ever played. That alone makes the genesis worth my time.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/12/2003 4:23:30 PM | Message Detail
You relaly thought the graphics were that bad, huh? Hmm. They weren't Mario RPG or Chrono Trigger by any means, but not bad enough to be a whore, I mean a bore, I mean.... What was that?
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From: razzyboy13 | Posted: 12/12/2003 5:20:32 PM | Message Detail
Super Mario RPG is THE best game ever! I LOVE it!
From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/12/2003 6:55:34 PM | Message Detail
Camden, I think they were better than the first UW. Plus the fact that it isn't an eyesore. Compared to something like Drakkhen it is much much better.
Truth is, I like New Horizons also for how free you can play it as, compared to a lot of other games that makes you go through fixed routes. Despite your final goal may be something else, before you reach it you can do other small stuff on your own for earning cash or just raid ships for fun (I sorta do that lol, just no raiding ships from own country).
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From: rm3 | Posted: 12/12/2003 7:01:24 PM | Message Detail
The most underrated RPG was EarthBound, even though it has a moderate amount of recognition. EarthBound was just a classic, one of those rare "genuine" pieces of art. Like Raising Arizona. Zam.
From: Camden | Posted: 12/12/2003 8:21:17 PM | Message Detail
Plus the fact that it isn't an eyesore.
Are you sure?
I just don't like the style of graphics they use, it reminds me more of a nes game than the nes installment. Other than the graphics, I think New Horizons is the better game. Drakkhen was bad, I agree on that, but that doesn't make others games good because of it.
rm3: Like you said, Earthbound, though well known, is looked down as being directed toward children. Maybe it's just me, but I found a high amount of pot references in the game.
Heh, I used high to describe an amount of pot references. I'm damn funny.
Fleck: Abhor-
To regard with horror or loathing; detest: "The problem with Establishment Republicans is they abhor the unseemliness of a political brawl" (Patrick J. Buchanan).
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/12/2003 9:29:17 PM | Message Detail
Nice quote.
rm3: I don't think I would really call Earthbound underrated. Unless you feel that all the hype that it already gets isn't enough. I have yet to experience the game (I know, but its one of few and its in the mail on its way to my house), but all I hear is how it is the greatest game of all time from every fanboy (not that you are one, or maybe you are, whatever, it doesn't matter) that posts about it. And, that really sucks because I am one of those people who needs to go into something with low expectations so as not to be disappointed.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/12/2003 10:18:22 PM | Message Detail
greatest game of all time from every fanboy
The game isn't the greatest of all time, but it's a great game to play if you just finished a story-heavy game.
The story of Earthbound isn't completely true to the japanese version. The characters met each other in Mother, but because it was never released over here, they made the characters act as if they had never met.
The game, even in it's most serious parts, is always throwing out jokes and strange dialogue. It won't ever make you start laughing aloud, but seeing a blue cow is still funny.
That quote, and the definiton, was copy-pasted from dictionary.com
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/12/2003 10:36:21 PM | Message Detail
Well, I guess I will find out soon enough. I'm playing Phantasy Star II right now, but I just started (figured I would give it a real try). I will probably put it down to play Earthbound and then go back to Lufia II (mourning for lost save is almost over). After all that, I will take a siesta toward the Genesis again for a few games.
Easiest SNES RPG Boss, anyone?
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/12/2003 10:43:50 PM | Message Detail
Actually, Earthbound's final boss was quite easy.
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From: rockstar1xxx | Posted: 12/12/2003 11:05:05 PM | Message Detail
I dont know any1 who has played Brain Lord. Any1 played it? Is it good?
From: rockstar1xxx | Posted: 12/12/2003 11:06:02 PM | Message Detail
I dont know anyone who has played Brain Lord. Anyone played it? Is it good?
From: Fleck | Posted: 12/12/2003 11:22:15 PM | Message Detail
I loved what I have played of Brain Lord. Dammit!! Another forgotten finish. I started playing that game and then got Chrono Trigger shortly after and never went back to it. The little spirit guys flying around helping you was pretty cool. I got stuck in a dungeon pretty far into it and couldn't find a key. I need to go back to that game. Thank you for reminding me.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/12/2003 11:59:20 PM | Message Detail
I just heard the name, and thought Brain Lord was a puzzle game. I've never tried it.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/13/2003 6:11:56 AM | Message Detail
To me it isn't Camden. I usually don't have that much issue with graphics, unless its something like Drakkhen...
As for Brain Lord, I liked it. I don't know why some address it as a Zelda clone. Storywise it isn't like Zelda. Gameplay wise Zelda isn't original cough cough. Also, Brain Lord is an action rpg, while Zelda is considered by most of its fanboys as an adventure games. (apparently these ones are usually the ones that call other game Zelda clones too) Graphic is very similar to 7th Saga (again, not even close to Zelda).
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/13/2003 6:29:46 AM | Message Detail
Easiest RPG boss...How about Zeromus?
No. =)
Actually the easiest that I've had would be the smithy. With the lazy shell equipment he is quite the push-over.
From: Fleck | Posted: 12/13/2003 11:28:57 AM | Message Detail
Camden, a third member has joined our ranks. Smithy was a pushover. However, he wasn't the easiest. What about Gaia? OMFG that fight was easy. Block, Block, Melt, Fire, over and over until its over. I think I have posted several times on this subject. I really liked the game. I thought that they tried to rush some things toward the end, but a great game, nonetheless. Just too easy of a final fight. I still play my final save for kicks every now and then to beat the game. It takes like 2 minutes (once you get through all the dialogue).
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From: InishBushka | Posted: 12/13/2003 11:32:26 AM | Message Detail
3 words. Soul Blazer series.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/13/2003 11:54:37 AM | Message Detail
Actually, action rpgs' difficulty is dependant on two things. One is the original difficulty of the makers. The second is the skill of the player. Usually the second is more important than the first, thus making the difficulty of arpgs rather subjective. Round based rpgs leans more towards the how strong the enemy is set. Skill do play into taking the choice of action in different situations, but these are usually more strategic instead of instant responce (the later is more difficult so to speak). That's why there's people who struggle with certain action rpgs (recall that post where someone died alot in SoM, ToP's Dehmitel*spelling* fight) and usually not with round based rpgs. (Let's use CT as an example. Once you have killed Lavos once, most likely the second time it's easier. Once you know how to beat him, then the player should be able to ko him every time.)
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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 12/13/2003 1:00:16 PM | Message Detail
I've played Brain Lord, but I didn't really like it.
It was pretty simple, and from what I've heard very short (only four dungeons or so...).
I just barely stood to get through the first dungeon. I might get back to it eventually, but it just wasn't much fun.
I like Soulblazer more... It's simple too, but has some sort of feel to it that makes it seem grander... I guess it's because you unseal towns one piece at a time in the dungeons...
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/13/2003 3:26:48 PM | Message Detail
Camden, a third member has joined our ranks. Smithy was a pushover. However, he wasn't the easiest. What about Gaia?
Yay! New member!
It's been to long since I've played Illusion of Gaia. I can't really remember how tough the boss was.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/13/2003 3:29:31 PM | Message Detail
I don't remeber it being that short. I was three dungeons into it and I don't think I was even close to the end.
(goes to check FAQs)
Crap!! You are kinda right. There are only 5 dungeons. I wish that I had known that. Now I will go back and finish it. I will say this, though, the jade system is a very cool addition to the game. All those different little guys that you can use to do different things really added to it for me. Of course this was one of the first RPGs on SNES that I played so maybe I was just wrapped up in because I came straight from NES.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/13/2003 3:44:38 PM | Message Detail
recall that post where someone died alot in SoM
I hate that damn Spiky Tiger! If we start discussing toughest bosses, that's my vote.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/13/2003 9:42:20 PM | Message Detail
Hardest boss... That's a tough one. It doesn't have to be a final boss, does it? Let me think about it for a little while.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/13/2003 10:04:55 PM | Message Detail
No it doesn't have to be a final boss, just don't post an unwinnable encounter.
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From: Drake | Posted: 12/13/2003 11:22:23 PM | Message Detail
I have a serious problem with SNES RPGs - mainly that I love them to death but am absolutely incapable whatsoever of finishing one once I start it...
I think it stemmed from the first RPG I ever played (Final Fantasy VI)...I got up to the floating continent, utterly in love with the game and... my save got wiped >_<
Since then I've never had the perserverance to fully finish and RPG. Suggestions for cures, anyone? I think my list of RPGs goes something like this...
Final Fantasy VI [ ]
Chrono Trigger [ ]
Tales of Phantasia [ ]
Final Fantasy V [ ]
Final Fantasy IV [ ]
Legend of Zelda III [ ]
Secret of Mana 2 [ ]
I'd love to put a title there that I can put a [X] next to but honestly can't think of a SNES RPG I've finished...so come on people, what can cure my lack of perserverance?
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/14/2003 5:12:56 AM | Message Detail
I've got the same problem. I've finished some though. Chrono Trigger, Zelda (not an RPG I know, I'm listing the games I have beaten), SMRPG, and maybe one or two others. What I do is I start a game and in a few months come back to it, play it for a while and return until eventually I beat it.
From: Drake | Posted: 12/14/2003 6:36:17 AM | Message Detail
As of tomorrow I plan to undertake an RPG and try and finish it... I'll let you lot know how I go :D
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From: rpggirl | Posted: 12/14/2003 9:30:48 AM | Message Detail
CT is also my favoirte Game of ALL TIME!!! However, reading this topix has made me wonder....y is it that ppl's first games tend to be theire favorite? EarthBound os my 2cd fave goame and i coinidentally played it 2cd. If i pleayed EarthBound First, does that i mwan I would have liked it more then Chrono Trigger Iunno cuz i LOOVVVEEE CT to DEATH
From: Fleck | Posted: 12/14/2003 9:55:39 AM | Message Detail
Drake: That just happened to me with Lufia II. I was playing in the Ancient Cave and my kitten jumped up and grabbed the cord, subsequently jamming the machine and erasing my save. Needless to say, I haven't gone back to it yet, but soon. I also did the same thing with Brain Lord. I got CT in the mail and couldn't keep away. I'll look later and list all the RPGs I've played and see how many Xs I can put down.
Camden: I am still trying to decide on the hardest boss.
Rpggirl: Welcome to our little haven. I actually played Zelda first (If you consider that an RPG, which I don't), but my first RPG on SNES was FF:MQ. I enjoyed it unlike others here, but I thought it was a fun little game for what it was.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/14/2003 3:03:15 PM | Message Detail
y is it that ppl's first games tend to be theire favorite?
My first console rpg was Dragon Warrior. That game sucked. I played my very first rpg when I was 4. The Bard's Tale. I can safely say I understood nothing of what was happening then, and was utterly confused by the whole concept of it at that point. My reading skills were low at that point, though at 4 very few people can read that well.
My favorite snes rpg is Emerald Dragon, which I first picked up two or so years ago. I don't see a translation being finished any time soon, so most people won't get to play this masterpiece.
Somewhat off-topic, spoilers: It's not a boss from a snes game, but I just beat Freya from Star Ocean 3. That is one of the most difficult fights I've ever experienced.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/14/2003 3:59:47 PM | Message Detail
OK, here is my list of RPGs along with an explanation for each whether I have beaten it or not.
Chrono Trigger - Finished
Final Fantasy II - Finished
Final Fantasy III - Finished
Final Fantasy Mystic Quest - Finished
Shadowrun - Finished
Soulblazer - Finished
Illusion of Gaia - Finished
Lufia - Finished
Lufia II - Played but haven't finished
Drakkhen - Haven't played yet
Dragon View - Finished
Obitus - Played but haven't finished
Might and Magic III - Haven't really played it yet
Twisted Tales of Spike McFang - Finished
7th Saga - Haven't really played yet
Super Mario RPG - Finished
Lagoon - Haven't played yet
Tecmo Secret of the Stars - Haven't played yet
Robotrek - Played but haven't finished
Brain Lord - Played but haven't finished
Young Merlin - Finished
Arcana - Played but haven't finished
Big Sky Trooper - Haven't played yet
Actraiser - Finished
Brandish - Played but haven't finished
Equinox - Haven't played yet
E.V.O. - Finished
Lord of the Rings, Vol. 1 - Haven't really played it yet
Ogre Battle - Finished
Paladin's Quest - Finished
Secret of Mana - Played but haven't finished yet
Secret of Evermore - Haven't really played it yet
Uncharted Waters - Played but haven't finished
Uncharted Waters, New Horizons - Finished
Y's III - Haven't played yet
I have also finished Zelda, but again, I don't consider that an RPG. And, when I say I haven't REALLY played a game, it means I have messed around with it, but haven't gotten into it yet.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/14/2003 4:22:53 PM | Message Detail
Finished/Near Finished: Final Fantasy MQ, Final Fantasy 2, Final Fantasy 3, Soulblazer, Secret of Mana, Seiken Densetsu 3, Illusion of Gaia, Earthbound, Super Mario RPG, Secret of Evermore, Lufia, Lufia 2, Actraiser, Actraiser 2, Emerald Dragon, 7th Saga, Evo, Ogre Battle, Bahamut Lagoon, Breath of Fire, Breath of Fire 2, Magic Knight Rayearth, Romancing Saga 3.
Started Playing: Terranigma, Arcana, Uncharted Waters, Uncharted Waters New Horizons, Burning Heroes, Arabian Nights, Rejoice, GOD, Power of the Hired, Energy Breaker, Shiki Eiyuuden, Star Ocean, SJ Beasts and Blades, Front Mission, Dual Orb 2, Live a Live, Paladin's Quest, Tales of Phantasia, Rudora No Hihou.
I'm sure I missed some, but that's most of them.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/14/2003 4:25:02 PM | Message Detail !
Started Playing: Fire Emblem: SnK
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/14/2003 4:54:28 PM | Message Detail
I can't believe I forgot:
Breath of Fire - Finished
Breath of Fire II - Finished
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/14/2003 4:56:22 PM | Message Detail
Do you really consider Actraiser II and RPG? I have finished that as well, but I don't classify that as an RPG. What about Skyblazer?
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/14/2003 5:03:07 PM | Message Detail
No, but I don't really consider the first one an rpg either. I figured since you listed the first one, people thought of them as rpgs. I also don't consider strategy games rpgs, but everyone calls them srpg's anyways.
I haven't played much of Skyblazer. Sadly, I suck at it, and can't get far.
Why is it that Gamefaqs, knowing that a high percentage of their message board users like rpgs, still has rpg as a misspelled word? Enough people talk about rpgs that it should be commonplace by now.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/14/2003 7:24:43 PM | Message Detail
Drake, try playing a smaller RPG like Spike McFang or Young Merlin. I have heard people say that once they play a lesser known game, it gives them more appreciation for the really good ones. Of course, I always liked playing through the lesser known ones, because to me it seems like a lot of the good ideas are stolen from the small guys.
By the way, I am going to go with Solid Arm in Illusion of Gaia. It is ironic to me that I have picked the hardest and easiest bosses from the same game. He was a hell of a lot easier in Soulblazer than he was in Gaia. To me, anyway.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/14/2003 7:35:17 PM | Message Detail
try playing a smaller RPG like Spike McFang or Young Merlin.
That can be another topic of discussion. Did anyone else have a difficult time on the mine cart area of Young Merlin? It took me forever.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/14/2003 7:50:19 PM | Message Detail
That was like the worst experience of my gaming life. No, I'm just kidding. I had a real hard time with the second mine part. I kept going in circles and couldn't figure out where the hell I was supposed to be going. I finally looked at a FAQ, but their directions were all screwed up and I finally had to map it out on paper to figure it out. Very tough.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/14/2003 8:42:41 PM | Message Detail
This list includes RPGs/ARPGs/and SLGs (SRPGs)
Btw, Fleck, I'll borrow your list to start.
Chrono Trigger - Finished
Final Fantasy II - Not finished
FFV - Not finished
Final Fantasy III - Not finished
Final Fantasy Mystic Quest - Not finished
Shadowrun - Not finished
Soulblazer - Finished
Illusion of Gaia - Finished
Terranigma - Finished
Lufia - Finished
Lufia II - Finished
Drakkhen - Didn't get far in the game...
Dragon View - Not finished
Twisted Tales of Spike McFang - Not finished
7th Saga - Not finished
Super Mario RPG - Not finished
Lagoon - Not finished
Tecmo Secret of the Stars - Not finished
Robotrek - Finished
Brain Lord - Not finished
Young Merlin - Not finished
Arcana - Not finished
Big Sky Trooper - Not finished
Brandish - Not finished
Equinox - Not finished
E.V.O. - Not finished
Lord of the Rings, Vol. 1 - Not finished
Ogre Battle - Not finished
Paladin's Quest - Not finished
Secret of Mana - Finished
Secret of Evermore - Not finished
Uncharted Waters - Not finished
Uncharted Waters, New Horizons - Finished
Y's III - Finished the Genesis version (err, they should be almost the same besides graphics and maybe sound)
Y's IV - Not finished
Y's V - Finished
BoF - Finished
BoF2 - Finished
Solid Runner - Finished
Light Fantasy 2 - Not finished
Super Robot Wars Gaiden - Not finished (as for the others in this series, I think I tried a few but I'm not sure which one)
Battle Robot Retsuden - Not finished
Dual Orb 2 - Not finished
Emerald Dragon - Not finished
Bahamut Lagoon - Finished
Feda: Emblem of Justice - Not finished
Energy Breaker - Not finished
Rejoice - Finished
Tales of Phantasia - Finished
Star Ocean - Finished
Shin SD Sengokuden: Taishou Gun Retsuden - Finished
Jutei Senki - Not Finished
Monstania - Finished
G-O-D - Not finished
Power of the Hired - Finished
Villgust - Not finished
Wozz - Not finished
Arabian Nights - Not finished
Earthbound - Not finished
Seiken Densetsu 3 - Not finished
Albert Oddessy 1&2 (hope the spelling is correct) - Not finished
Aretha 2 - Not finished
Bakumatsu Korinden Oni - Not finished
SM:AS - Not finished
Bushi Seiryuden - Futari no Yuusha - Not finished
Cyber Knight 1&2 - Not finished
Dark Half - Not finished
Dark Kingdom - Not finished
Dark Law - Not finished
DQ3 - Not finished
DQ5 - Not finished
Elfaria 2 - Not finished
Gran Historia - Not finished
Haou Taikei: Ryu Knight - Not finished
Esparks - Not finished
Yaiba - Not finished
Hero Senki - Not finished
Inindo: Way of the Ninja - Not finished
Kuusou Kagaku Sekai Gulliver Boy - Not finished
Lady Stalker - Not finished
Demon of LaPlace - Not finished
Live A Live - Not finished
Record of Lodoss War - Not finished
Magna Braban - Not finished
Magic Knight Rayearth - Not finished
Metal Max Returns - Not finished
7th Saga 2 Mystic Ark - Not finished
Popful Mail - Not finished
Romancing Sa-Ga 3 - Not finished
Rudra No Hihou - Not finished
Ruin Arm - Not finished
Shin Seikoku: La Wares - Not finished
Slayers - Not finished
Song Master - Not finished
Traverse: Starlight & Prairie - Not finished
Treasure Hunter G - Not finished
Xak - Not finished
Shiki Eiyuu Den - Not finished
Moryou Senki Madara 2 - Not finished
Madou Monogatari - Hanamaru Daiyouchi Enji - Finished (without noticing that there's a walkthrough already for this game)
Far East of Eden Zero - Not finished
Err...I think that's the list I can think up right now. There might be a few more things here and there that I might have forgotten. Oh well. (I do recall a few games I forgot the name of)
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/14/2003 9:37:33 PM | Message Detail
^I also forgot about Feda and Lodoss.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/14/2003 9:48:42 PM | Message Detail Right, forgot Front Mission and Front Mission: Gun Hazzard. Finished FM but GH is unfinished. (note: GH is or should be considered an action rpg)
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/14/2003 10:08:46 PM | Message Detail
Tech: Gee, you kind of shot my list to hell. Could you describe the games below? I'm not familiar with any of them.
Bakumatsu Kurinden Oni
SM-AS
Bushi Seiryuden Futari No Yuusha
Haou Taikei Ryu Knight
Yaiba
Esparks
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/14/2003 11:26:19 PM | Message Detail
Haha, I just mentioned Young Merlin as an unknown game. Those mines were tough. I had to map them out too.
I've decided to rename the GBA, from now on it will be referred to as the SNES+, or maybe SNES-mini. Has anyone played this new Mario & Luigi game for the SNES+? I'm unsure of the name but a guy at gamecrazy was telling me it's an rpg. How does it compare to Mario RPG?
Might & Magic: Gates to Another World for the Genesis looks very nice but I've been putting off playing for nearly a year. If the map (and instructions 160pgs) are any guide then the game is absolutely massive.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/15/2003 4:56:29 AM | Message Detail
Bakumatsu Kurinden Oni - Second game of the oni series. It's about catching/taming ghosts/evil spirits and such. Eventually you'll join a group of ghost hunters and you can go on missions and stuff.
SM-AS - I don't know why I tried this game..... It's sailor moon: another story.....cough cough.... Don't even ask...
Bushi Seiryuden Futari No Yuusha - Staged in ancient Japan. There's the legend of the two gods. I think the ocean god and the mountain godess. You meet this weird monster thingy which became your partner. (she, yes, a she, can lift you from the ground because you apparently can't jump on your own) Very strategic. Two endings (depending if you destroyed the tower enough or not). There's a walkthrough for this game. Check it out if you want to know even more on it.
Haou Taikei Ryu Knight - Action rpg. You don't see your health in this one just like Rejoice. (however, Rejoice has more creative weapon attacks...) There's two types of battle. One is the regular action rpg bird view similar to Rejoice. The second one is you riding in a robot battling other robots with a....er..... Just try the game out and see for it yourself... Although, the robot battles ain't that great...
Yaiba - Game made from the manga series of thee same name. Action rpg. If I recall storyline quite similar to the manga. Game play just like most other action rpgs. You get a second character for support purposes. As for story, read the translated manga at Toriyama's World (not complete).
Esparks - Another action rpg. The difference bettween this game and most other action rpgs is that if you keep on hitting the enemy your weapon can perform another attack other than what it usually does. For example, swords stab instead of swing, if it's a stick then it can get swung in a circular path htting the surrounding enemy (I think, not sure if the stick is like that), as for an axe it will fly out of your hand and can hit enemy from afar. However, those moves are executed just plainly hitting the enemy, so there's no one button that will immediately execute these moves. There's also a magic system where you equip ESPs and can use different magic (one at a time). Magic is rather helpful during boss fights. Enemy will drop both money and item. When I played the game, I didn't buy any (besides the high end stuff) healing items because they are constantly been dropped by the enemy early in the game. Story wise....well.... Some alien being attacks your family and captures your mother and father. A mysterious person comes and save you. You woke up and decides to "I don't know"..... You get a suit of armor and weapons for your journey. That's just about how it starts. It's just my interpretation of what happened in the game, since I can't understand most of what they say except for a few kanji.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/15/2003 6:59:29 AM | Message Detail
I have played ROMs of Villgust, Tales of Phantasia, Bahamut Lagoon, Seiken Densetsu III, and Terranigma, but I just couldn't get into playing them on my computer. I need to have more experience with the Japanese games, but I can only play them as fast as they are translated as I don't speak Japanese. Earthbound has still not shown up on my doorstep yet, so I didn't include that one on my list because I have only sampled it on a ROM to see what it was like. Anyway, here is my updated list:
Chrono Trigger - Finished
Final Fantasy II - Finished
Final Fantasy III - Finished
Final Fantasy Mystic Quest - Finished
Shadowrun - Finished
Breath of Fire - Finished
Breath fo Fire II - Finished
Earthbound - Haven't really played yet
Soulblazer - Finished
Illusion of Gaia - Finished
Lufia - Finished
Lufia II - Played but haven't finished
Drakkhen - Haven't played yet
Dragon View - Finished
Obitus - Played but haven't finished
Might and Magic III - Haven't really played it yet
Twisted Tales of Spike McFang - Finished
7th Saga - Haven't really played yet
Super Mario RPG - Finished
Lagoon - Haven't played yet
Tecmo Secret of the Stars - Haven't played yet
Robotrek - Played but haven't finished
Brain Lord - Played but haven't finished
Young Merlin - Finished
Arcana - Played but haven't finished
Big Sky Trooper - Haven't played yet
Actraiser - Finished
Brandish - Played but haven't finished
Equinox - Haven't played yet
E.V.O. - Finished
Lord of the Rings, Vol. 1 - Haven't really played it yet
Ogre Battle - Finished
Paladin's Quest - Finished
Secret of Mana - Played but haven't finished yet
Secret of Evermore - Haven't really played it yet
Uncharted Waters - Played but haven't finished
Uncharted Waters, New Horizons - Finished
Y's III - Haven't played yet
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/15/2003 8:05:35 AM | Message Detail
Someone said in another topic on another board that they considered Demon's Crest an RPG. GameFAQs has it listed as an action game. But, this guy made some good points. What do you guys think?
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From: Elle | Posted: 12/15/2003 1:17:38 PM | Message Detail
Well, here's my list:
Breath of Fire**************Finished
Breath of Fire 2************Finished
Chrono Trigger**************Finished
Earthbound******************Finished
FF2/4***********************Finished
FF3/6***********************Finished
FF5*************************Finished
FFMQ************************Finished
Illusion of Gaia************Finished
Lagoon**********************No comment
Lufia***********************Finished
Lufia2**********************Finished
Paladins Quest**************Finished
Rayearth********************Finished
Secret of Evermore**********Finished
Secret of Mana**************Finished
Secret of the Stars*********Finished
Sailor Moon: Another Story**Finished
SoulBlazer******************Finished
Tales of Phantasia**********Finished
Terranigma******************Finished
Y's III; Wandrers of Ys*****Finished
Y's IV; Mask of the sun*****Finished
Zelda: LTTP*****************Started, not finished
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/15/2003 1:18:58 PM | Message Detail
i think that the SNES rpgs were the best ever made. i can't remember my first rpg, but the first one i ever got into was Final Fantasy 3(6). it's still my favorite game. after playing that, i never went back to playing any other genre. :P
i think Nintendo should just start making vintage style rpgs 24/7. :P in my opinion, rpgs made the SNES what it became.
as far as Demon's Crest goes, i haven't played it yet, and never really heard anything about it, but somehow it's in my head as an rpg. *shrug*
i need a new SNES rpg to play... any suggestions? i've played most all of them, so i guess what i'm asking is which game has the best replay value? (exclude ff3(6)... i've played through that more times than i care to count :P)
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/15/2003 1:25:30 PM | Message Detail
Earthbound is pretty fun you just need to get used to the way the game's dialog is. It's rather quirky. Some of it funny and some of it is meant to be funny and just comes off as stupid. And the photographer often just frustrated me because I'd be trying to do something and he'd just appear at the least opportune times.
From: Fleck | Posted: 12/15/2003 3:19:54 PM | Message Detail
Patrick, are there any game son my list that you haven't played? I would be happy to tell you what I thought about any of them.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/15/2003 3:25:57 PM | Message Detail
SM-AS - I don't know why I tried this game..... It's sailor moon: another story.....cough cough.... Don't even ask...
Oh, I know that one. I guess you're coughing because it's supposed to be girly? Boo, I say. Boo! I used to watch Sailor Moon!
math_deity: Superstar Saga? I've only played the rom a little, but I plan to buy it after christmas. People seem to be hacking it for kiddy already, but it's a fun game. If you liked Mario Rpg or Paper Mario, chances are you'll like this.
Another topic we can discuss. Do you call it Final Fantasy 3 or Final Fantasy 6. Although it is the 6th in the series, and it was eventually released under the name Final Fantasy 6 on the playstation, I still call it Final Fantasy 3. I see that most people on snes general call it 3/6 or something along the lines, so a fanboy/antifanboy doesn't pounce on them for being wrong.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/15/2003 3:30:39 PM | Message Detail
hmmm... there are several on your list that i haven't played:
Drakkhen
Dragon View
Obitus
Might and Magic III
Twisted Tales of Spike McFang
Lagoon
Robotrek
Brain Lord
Young Merlin
Arcana
Big Sky Trooper
Brandish
Equinox
Uncharted Waters
Y's III
some of these games i didn't even know were rpgs... :P
but anyway i don't really want to play a silly themed game (i.e. Earthbound was RIGHT on the border between silly and serious... JUST serious enough for me to play through) so probably the Twisted Tales of Spike McFang wouldn't be the game for me. :P get what i mean?
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From: mmg009 | Posted: 12/15/2003 3:33:28 PM | Message Detail
the only SNES rpg I've played is LOZ:ALTTP, and its not a "real" rpg. I can't seem to find any of the rpgs that everyone says are great, like Chrono Trigger and Lufia. Perhaps I'll get lucky and find one some day, that is for a resonable price of course(collecting and playing games is no fun for me unless I get a bargin).
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/15/2003 3:34:15 PM | Message Detail
oh and Paladin's Quest... i played the rom, a few minutes into it... but it looked a little simple story-wise for me. maybe you can tell me otherwise?
and i play games for their story, mainly... of course other things come into play but a game with a rich plot and good character development is always the best.
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From: gothelobsters | Posted: 12/15/2003 3:45:54 PM | Message Detail
the first snes rpg i owned was secret of mana. i went to a second hand store to get it and i just picked it from random, i had no idea about how great it was but then when i got it, i couldn't put it down. it was a great game and kept me entertained for so many hours, like secret of evermore but it wasn't quite as exciting.
ooooooooooooooh, good times
From: Fleck | Posted: 12/15/2003 3:49:23 PM | Message Detail
Are you into First-Person Dungeon Crawlers? If not then Drakkhen, Obitus, and Might and Magic III are not what you are looking for. Dragon View is a great game with Frst Person view in the outside world and side-scrolling action in the dungeons. It has a good storyline, too, but doesn't hold up to the caliber of others (FFs, CT). The others that you listed are really lacking in the story department actually. Probably the best storyline and overall gameplay left on the list is Robotrek? Brandish and Y's III are also kind of cult favorites. Brain lord is an action RPG, and from what I have learned recently is fairly short, so it might not be a waste of your time. Also, games like Young Merlin and Spike McFang are fun games that are silly and don't have the best graphics, but are very entertaining. Paladin's Quest, as you mentioned, is a simple story, but I enjoyed it thoroughly. read some of our other posts on it. Great addition with the Mercenary system. And, all NPCs matter in that game.
Anyone else have anythin to add?
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From: gothelobsters | Posted: 12/15/2003 4:01:16 PM | Message Detail
Delin: I only have had 2 snes RPG'S and they were Secret of Mana and Secret of Evermore. it took me about a year to pass secret of mana and when i did, i felt goooooooood. i never did pass secret of evermore.
(spoiler)
does anyone know what to do after you rescue the real queen in the medieval world.
From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/15/2003 4:23:57 PM | Message Detail
i don't mind first person dungeon crawlers, if you mean games like Shining in the Darkness (Genesis)? they aren't my favorite type, but they're still fun. it's nice to get a little variety. :)
Paladin's Quest actually sounds kinda interesting... i break out the old emulator and fire up the rom tonight... it might present a good time. :)
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/15/2003 4:51:29 PM | Message Detail
Tell me waht you think once you are into it.
Gothelobsters: If you like those games, you really should think about picking up a couple of others. Soulblazer, Illusion of Gaia, Lufia II, and even Brain Lord might suit your palette well. Then you might go for the more hard-to-get-a-hold-of-cheap games like Chrono Trigger and the Final Fantasies. You migtht like Final Fantasy Mystic Quest also, which you should be able to pick up cheap. Lufia II will be expensive, but it is my absolute favorite RPG on the SNES.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/15/2003 5:58:23 PM | Message Detail
so... let me get this straight. you're Chezni, you're gifted in magic so you're studying at the magic school. after class one day, you're dared to go in this tower, so you go with a friend. this tower seals away the most deadly monster machine in the world and there are no guards. :P you easily make it to the top, and unknowingly unleash the monster on the world. you awaken to find the school destroyed and everyone except the master of the school dead. instead of punishing you, the master sends you on a quest to stop the monster. lol all this seems kinda weak. :P also the color scheme was quite strange.
but i don't know... the battle system was unique and kinda fun... and i read in reviews there are mercenaries and other things that might make this fun. i'll stick with it, as i've nothing else to do on a monday night. :P are there any twists or character revelations that bring the plot to life? no major spoilers, please, just a simple yes or no. :)
thanks for the suggestion, Fleck.
P.S. - sorry guys, i didn't mean to turn thiss into a 'Paladin's Quest' thread. please feel free to ignore this little off topic splurge. :P
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/15/2003 6:01:36 PM | Message Detail
also the color scheme was quite strange.
I concur. I haven't played much into it yet, but like every other game I play, I'm sure I'll get around to it sooner or later.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/15/2003 6:52:39 PM | Message Detail
There aren't any major plot twists so to speak, but the plot does get better as the game goes on. I was very satisfied when I was done.
And, its cool. This thread is to talk about all RPGs. If this game is the path we take for awhile, that's cool with me. It might be nice to take a walk down memory lane with the game, anyway.
The color scheme is weird. Almost trippy. I really think the developers were high when they came up with it. Lots of pastels.
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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 12/15/2003 7:01:53 PM | Message Detail
I remember Young Merlin... My cousin and I loved to play that game. I think we made it as far as the castle where you place the water from the springs.
And I remember Demon's Crest too. Cool game. But I'd say it's more like Metroid than an RPG.
I rented that Lord of the Rings game once. Didn't really care for it.
Let me think of all the games I've beaten... Some of these are ports, but should at least kinda sorta count...
Chrono Trigger (PSX port)
FF4-6 (PSX ports)
Dragon Warrior 1+2 and 3 (GBC port)
Breath of Fire 1 and 2 (GBA port)
Shadowrun
Robotrek
Illusion of Gaia
Secret of Evermore
LttP
Games I've been playing or just started:
Soulblazer (about halfway through)
Terranigma (second surface dungeon)
Dragon Quest/Warrior 5 (got near the tower at end of the second generation, but my computer crashed)
Dragon Quest/Warrior 6 (got to Mudo's castle in the real world before my computer crashed)
Star Ocean (made it to the trial cave under the castle before my computer crashed)
Tales of Phantasia (just started)
Secret of Mana (got to the sprite village before my computer crashed)
Seiken Densetsu 3 (got to the place where you have to shrink down with the mallets)
FF:MQ (halfway through, but the cart started to glitch up. One time the menu glitched up, replacing one of the choices with "MA" characters. It almost looked like it was laughing at me. :/)
Oh, and about Secret of Evermore, gothelobster...
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Just be careful, because a couple glitches can prevent you from finishing the game. One if you leave before getting the diamond eyes, and another if you try to land on an empty island and end up back at Ebon Keep without the Windwalker.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/15/2003 7:06:03 PM | Message Detail
yeah i'ma stick with the game, it's looking pretty good...
though walking around on the world map, i keep finding my eyes wandering, hunting for easter eggs. :P what were they thinking when they colored this? :P
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/15/2003 7:59:41 PM | Message Detail
Who actually started using easter egg? Are easter egg hunts such a hot activity that they decided to coin it as a video game term? It bugs me that that's the best someone could do.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/15/2003 8:02:02 PM | Message Detail
i'm not sure what you meant by that lol, but i was refering to the colors being pastel (Easter colored), so it reminded me of an Easter egg hunt.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/15/2003 8:11:40 PM | Message Detail
I thought you meant easter egg, a term used to describe a secret, or something hidden, at least I'm pretty sure that's what it means. I may have been reading it wrong the whole time.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/15/2003 10:04:38 PM | Message Detail
oh... nope, i was just refering to the pastel color theme.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/15/2003 11:26:27 PM | Message Detail
Oh...ok.
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I hate thinking of what to start a conversation about. I'm bad at it. Someone throw something into the mix.
Offtopic: How many active messages posted do I need before I can officially be declared as bored?
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/15/2003 11:41:30 PM | Message Detail
i think when you meet the 30 messages in 24 hour limit that new users get (as i'm about to do :P), you have officially had a boring but chill day. :P
to start a new rpg conversation... which SNES rpg had the biggest plot twist that really got you hooked in the game?
mine was definitely ff6. to be 11 or so, playing one of your first rpgs, and to see Kefka throw Emperor Gestahl off of the Floating Continent and claim the Goddesses' power was simply... mindblowing. :P
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/15/2003 11:58:24 PM | Message Detail
Bah. I broke the 30 messages limit almost every day. I was posting on a lot of PotD topics then, which I've pretty much stopped doing, but topics didn't last as long there.
which SNES rpg had the biggest plot twist that really got you hooked in the game?
Chrono Trigger.
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I was completely blown to hell when Magus decided to join me.
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Patrick: If a certain someone who likes to post around here seen that post, you would be marked for not putting a spoiler warning. Just a heads up.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/16/2003 12:06:41 AM | Message Detail
oh... are spoiler warnings that important? i didn't realize, forgive me. thanks for the heads up, Camden.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/16/2003 12:32:45 AM | Message Detail
For a game like Final Fantasy 3, it's probably not going to ruin anyone's day, especially someone who has read the first 100 posts of this topic, but I like to ere on the side of caution.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/16/2003 7:24:35 AM | Message Detail
What game are you guys actually playing right now? How do you like it? What can you tell us about it that won't spoil it for us?
My favorite plot twist was in FF III as well.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/16/2003 8:14:41 AM | Message Detail
Spoiler
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Dual Orb II
When you start the game, you probably wouldn't expect the final boss is actually your best friend, which is a playable character in the beginning.
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Note: I might not reply as much or as quickly because i just had a surgery and this is my sister typing for me.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/16/2003 8:28:03 AM | Message Detail
That sucks, tech. Get better soon.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/16/2003 9:18:24 AM | Message Detail
Has anyone played Tecmo Secret of the Stars? Is it as bad as everyone says it is? I have yet to play it, but I noticed someone put it as their favorite lesser known game and I have heard nothing good about it until now.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/16/2003 11:15:53 AM | Message Detail
if Techmo Secret of the Stars is the game i'm thinking of, it sucks. it's first person view, absolutely NO character developement, and the plot consists of going to kill an evil dragon or something? weak, if you ask me. also, the graphics must have been done by a 3rd grader.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/16/2003 2:34:04 PM | Message Detail
I'm currently playing Live a Live, consistently losing to the secret mammoth in the prehistoric chapter. Damn thing.
Stars is one of my least favorite snes rpgs. It's just not any fun. When games are boring, they need visuals to keep your eyes entertained. It obviously doesn't look good.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/16/2003 3:36:51 PM | Message Detail
Health Tech.
The game I hate the most is FF:MQ. Now, mind you that I have only played what most people consider the best RPGs (Chrono Trigger, FF2&3, etc.) It leads you around by the nose. There is absolutely no surprise. Oh..I'm the hero because this stranger told me so...Oh...We have to do this because the stranger told me to. Argghh...Didn't the creators think that we Americans had a little bit more brains than that.
From: Camden | Posted: 12/16/2003 3:42:41 PM | Message Detail
The main reason Final Fantasy MQ was made like that, is because it was a starting point for many people just getting into rpgs. My mom used to always ask me what was happening when I'd be playing a game. I would start telling her, and after a sentence or two, she would say that it seemed awful boring. If she had had a little knowledge beforehand, such that MQ supplies you with, she might have understood better.
Tech: Were you awake for the surgery? I've never had any type of surgery, but I don't think I'd want to see what was happening.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/16/2003 3:45:58 PM | Message Detail
I thought that MQ was fine. I am one of the few non-haters of that game. It accomplished what it set out to do, which is give you an RPG experience without having to think about it. The graphics weren't that bad and I thought that the little guy that helped you seemed to keep me interested. I don't know, I just didn't think it was that bad. I didn't find it to be a waste of time at all.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/16/2003 3:52:31 PM | Message Detail
I'm not saying it's a bad game, I'm just saying that it was, well, completely average on every level. I also believe it was purposely made that way.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/16/2003 4:06:14 PM | Message Detail
MQ I think it's ok. Not the best experience I had, of course. Just average...
Thanks for those about my health. I'm able to type on the comp now after a painful trip just getting on my seat.
As for Camden's question, they put me to sleep. The surgery went for about 1.5 hours. I slept like 2 hours more then woke up and got stuck in the recovery room for another three hours.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/16/2003 4:10:36 PM | Message Detail
i'm pretty sure they made Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest as a starter rpg for beginners, as stated above. i thought it was a really good tutorial-type game. however, i don't think it should have been given the honor of having Final Fantasy in its title.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/16/2003 4:19:52 PM | Message Detail
Offtopic: It didn't bother me that much when it happened to the Cube and the ps2 pages, because those looked someone alright, but everyone should take a look at the GBA page.
Uh.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/16/2003 6:05:51 PM | Message Detail
That color scheme is awful. WTF?!? Anyway, back on topic... Was Tecmo SotS really a FP game? I guess I should just look, but I am lazy and don't want to pull it out of the cabinet. I just bought so I would have something to play when I was bored sometime and had played everything else. I don't remember that from the screenshots on the box.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/16/2003 6:30:21 PM | Message Detail
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/16/2003 6:33:18 PM | Message Detail
yeah i'm pretty sure it was first person... and *if* i remember right, the characters are like ones on early D&D: you build their stats and their class/race, and they have NO interaction with each other or anyone, for that matter.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/16/2003 6:57:03 PM | Message Detail http://www.vgmuseum.com/images/snes01/01/secretofthestars.html
http://www.vgmuseum.com/images/snes01/Aqutallion.html
Those are the Gamefaqs links to screenshots.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/16/2003 7:04:31 PM | Message Detail http://www.vgmuseum.com/images/snes01/01/secretofthestars.html
http://www.vgmuseum.com/images/snes01/Aqutallion.html
Here's some screenshots for Secret of the Stars. First person view battle system don't bother me really. Graphic wise, well, it depends on who sees it. I wouldn't call it done by a third grader. It's not pretty either though.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/16/2003 7:06:02 PM | Message Detail
Lol. You posted just minutes before me Camden while I was finding and typing everything up. Just a note to people who thought I saw Camden's post before I post mine - I didn't.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/16/2003 7:19:49 PM | Message Detail
Just a note to people who thought I saw Camden's post before I post mine - I didn't.
I have one of those bat signals. Whenever someone needs help on the snes, a giant N hits the sky, and I'm off to help.
Does anyone else live close to a store that sells 3-liters? The only store that sold them around here stopped stocking them, so I can't go on video game binges any longer...
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/16/2003 7:43:52 PM | Message Detail
oh... that's not the game i was thinking of. :P that looks a bit better than what i thought. forgive me, O SotS god, for i know not what i do! :P
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/16/2003 7:55:55 PM | Message Detail
So, its FP outside and top-view in towns? What about dungeons?
Patrick: You might be thinking of Might and Magic. Where I loved the PC versions 6-8, I didn't really get into 9... they messed with all the great stuff from the other games and made it way harder and less enjoyable. But, the two for SNES weren't great games at all and are old D&D type games like you describe.
I must say, though, that there is a time and place for a good ol' dungeon crawler. Maybe that's why I loved Dragon View so much. Because it blended that aspect of an RPG with the side view-dungeons. It was just enough to wet my appetite for that kind of game without leaning on it so much that it bores you.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/16/2003 7:58:54 PM | Message Detail
BTW, Camden, do you really think that people are intimidated by the number of posts in this topic? I hope not. I know that there are plenty more RPG fans that frequent this board that do not post in this thread. I want this to be an atmosphere where anybody feels like they can contribute to the conversation. I wouldn't even think that you have to read the old posts, just chime in about anything.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/16/2003 8:19:36 PM | Message Detail
i have a question:
which snes rpg(s) do you think helped set the mold the most for present rpgs?
obviously the Final Fantasies, but what about lesser known games that may have not made it to current major systems?
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/16/2003 8:21:38 PM | Message Detail
I know if I go to a board I don't visit often, and decide to start looking at topics, I generally ignore the larger ones. It may have something to do with message display settings as well. I've got it set to 50 a page, but someone with a slow computer like mine, who has it set to 10 messages a page, has a lot of clicking to do between reading.
This topic is only on page 3 for me.
You have to factor in a certain amount of people who are only here to get their questions answered. I don't think that they amount to that many, but they still count toward the people who won't even glance in this topic.
If people are coming here to talk and nothing else, like me,(I haven't made a single topic on snes general) then they will probably read a little bit of the topic, and decide if they want to talk or not.
There is also the people who post about rpgs, just because they want their daily karma. I don't have to worry about karma, I could leave for a week and I wouldn't run out of active messages.
On the Might and Magic games: I don't like any of them. I do, however, like the Heroes series by the same name.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/16/2003 8:25:09 PM | Message Detail
Now I have to make a second post because I type too slow.
I don't think any snes games influence current rpgs that much. Most of them are trying to reproduce the success, and failure, that was Final Fantasy 7. A few games are still trying to be different, but you can usually see similarities in each.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/16/2003 8:34:06 PM | Message Detail
i was thinking about it, and you're probably right... snes games don't really influence current rpgs anymore. something i've noticed about snes rpgs is there was a large tendency for action-rpgs; that is, rpgs with action-paced battles.
but current rpgs are either 1 of 2 things: 1 being either just an interactive movie, with almost as much cinema time as playing time (i.e. - FFX) or the other being a sort of rpg-action; action games that have rpg elements such as different equipment, numbers for damage, etc (i.e. - Castlevania: LoI).
i REALLY think current rpg trends need to steer back to snes-style gaming. the basic simplicity those snes rpgs could pull off while at the same time being reasonably complex was just... great.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/16/2003 8:44:18 PM | Message Detail
1 being either just an interactive movie, with almost as much cinema time as playing time (i.e. - FFX)
Have you played Xenosaga? I love the game, but damn there was a lot of reading and cutscenes.
Castlevania LOI was a game I thought would be bad, seeing as the last Castlevania game done out of 2d was bad, but it was quite fun. If it only lasted longer.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/16/2003 8:54:33 PM | Message Detail
i'm getting Xenosaga for Christmas (i loved Xenogears). and in fact, i love when there are alot of cinematic sequences, as long as the game is fun. Cinemas really enhance the story for me.
Castlevania: LoI, while not better than SotN, was really needed, if you ask me. it never even occured to me (as i'm not a HUGE Castlevania fan, but i like the series) to wonder about the beginning of the story. the game was massively short, but the overall story i think was great. it was nothing too huge (i.e. - chosen by God to protect the universe from Dracula) or anything, just a simple man betrayed by his best friend, seeking revenge & to protect those who might be hurt by him. i thought it was excellent.
but anyways, back to snes rpgs. :P
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/16/2003 9:23:47 PM | Message Detail
while not better than SotN
Which very few games are.
So, I guess I'll use my bad topical discussion starting tools to throw a topic out there. Music. What music, be it a single track or a OST from a game, is your favorite right now. I'm currently listening to the Fire Emblem 4 music.
Note: I don't think it was this topic, but this question was asked in another topic recently.
Or at least I think it was.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/16/2003 9:26:53 PM | Message Detail
oh DEFINITELY my favorite song from an rpg is The Phantom Forest by Nobuo Uemetsu (spelling) from Final Fantasy 6. download this song played on the piano, and you'll fall in love with it. it's simply beautiful.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/16/2003 9:39:19 PM | Message Detail A piano rendition? Do you have a link? All I have is the track ripped straight from the game.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/16/2003 9:46:31 PM | Message Detail
oh yeah... the piano version is SO beautiful. i could listen to it all day. i jam it in my car on my way to school sometimes. :P
i don't have a link, i got it off of kazaa. i don't remember exactly what i searched for, but probably just 'Final Fantasy VI' will bring results. i HIGHLY recommend everyone download this song.... it's awesome.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/16/2003 9:48:56 PM | Message Detail
oh by the way there's a vocal edition of Terra's theme i got off kazaa (i think it's on the Anthologies music cd, too) and it's pretty darn good, too.
i think Final Fantasy 6, hands down, by far beats any other game in the music department. except Final Fantasy 7, which comes in a close second, but can't really count because the same guy composed both game's songs.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/16/2003 9:58:39 PM | Message Detail
Double Meh.
Meh #1: I hate kazaa. More files seem to be fake than anything lately.
*downloads song.
*song gets through first verse, then repeats first verse a few times, then ends.
*I'm pissed.
Meh #2: I don't care much for Final Fantasy 7's music. The best music on the playstation, barring the rpg collections released, is Arc the Lad collection. I guess that's kind of a collection, but not what I was talking about.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/16/2003 10:00:05 PM | Message Detail
totally off topic - someone answer this real quick then go back to Camden's music question, as i think that's a really good question.
let me get this straight... Illusion of Gaia was the second Soulblazer? and Terranigma was the third?
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/16/2003 10:03:43 PM | Message Detail
You would be correct.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/16/2003 10:04:43 PM | Message Detail
ok sorry bout that, but i don't see how those games relate at all. :P haven't played Terranigma, though, can't speak for it.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/16/2003 11:21:13 PM | Message Detail
Illusion of Gaia is my favorite of the series, but each of them is good.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/17/2003 7:01:33 AM | Message Detail
Wow, you guys were busy last night. I was watching the new LotR Extended Version. Not all the way through it yet, but I like it. I really think they should have kept the scene with Boromir and Faromir in the movie. It bridges a lot of emotions that the theatrical release didn't convey between the two brothers.
I concur with Camden. I don't think that modern day RPGs have gained much from SNES RPGs. Nowadays it is all about cinematics. That is fine with me, but in a game like FF X, where every five steps there is some sort of cinematic discussion or something, it starts to ruin the game for me. I did enjoy FF X, but there were times when I was like, "Give me a break with the FMVs!!" I do understand where the interest lies with all the in-game movies, and I enjoy them mostly, too, but sometimes the games rely so much on the cinematics that it deters from the actual gameplay, IMHO.
Game music: I don't know what my favorite game music is. I'll be honest, I don't really get into the music that much. I liked some of the music from Grandia II (Dreamcast), but it doesn't do anything for me either way. I always wondered what it was about game music that made people want to listen to it outside of the game. Interesting. I might have to try it now that I know people who are that into it.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/17/2003 8:04:49 AM | Message Detail
hehe Camden & i had a whole conversation last night. :P
i don't really listen to game music outside of the game much at all, really. it's just there was something special about Final Fantasy 6's music that just really appeals to me. especially now that you can find such things as piano solo & vocal & symphonic versions of the songs. it just really brings back memories, i guess.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/17/2003 8:25:00 AM | Message Detail
I see that.
I am going to download some music tonight off of Kazaa and see what it does for me.
I know that Camden's answer to this will be "Emerald Dragon," but what was your favorite Import RPG? I really got into Bahamut Lagoon, but I was playing it on DreamSNES. DAMMIT!!!! That thing is so slow. You can't tell me that with the technology that platform uses, that there is no faster way to play 16 bit games. It is ridiculous. One battle would take me over an hour because of how slow it was. But, I really liked the game. I also played a bit of Tales of Phantasia. That game looks AWESOME, but I can't get over the speed issues long enough to play it and I just can't get into playing an SNES game on my computer.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/17/2003 9:12:57 AM | Message Detail
Have you guys ever been to the Classic Gaming Board? There is a topic there called "A general discussing on old school gaming" or something like that. Those guys are serious.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/17/2003 10:54:42 AM | Message Detail
yeah that topic's a bit strange for my tastes. i don't think games from our time will be played at all centuries from now. i mean, seriously, how often do you break out a 17th century board game?
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/17/2003 11:15:22 AM | Message Detail
That's it!!! I am going to put my extra SNES in a time capsule for 200 years with Chrono Trigger and see what happens.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/17/2003 12:04:47 PM | Message Detail
PatrickPS2, here's your answer on the Soul Blazer question. I tend to call those three games Soul Blazer Trilogy. Soul Blazer first, then Illusion of Gaia, then finally Terranigma. As for how they are related, here's my interpretation. In Soul Blazer, you work under God and restore towns. Basically, you reform the town to what they are. In Illusion of Gaia, you turn the civilization from a middle age era to the modern era. In Terranigma, you were sort of the "God" which basically created everything in the world. All three games somewhat have a creation/reformation element within them.
Heh, slept at 10 pm last night and gets to my comp like 2:30 pm today and about 20+ posts popped out.
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From: Ganelon | Posted: 12/17/2003 12:05:04 PM | Message Detail
Hey, so someone here finally likes Emerald Dragon, huh? Join the club. Although the SFC version is pretty much indisputably the crappiest despite having the beefiest graphics. I hope you had the chance to play the definitive Sharp X68000 version. My favorite SFC game would be Der Langrisser though.
From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/17/2003 12:06:40 PM | Message Detail
Oh yeah, forgot to answer Fleck's question. SotS is like this. Bird eye view in both town, map, and dungeon. First person view in battles (not outside). That's about it. (basically very close to dragon warriors if I'm not mistaken)
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/17/2003 1:42:00 PM | Message Detail
Camden: I pull out a 15th century board game every time I play chess. Also, why don't you find a store that sells Faygos. There decent and most places will sell a 2 liter for $.99.
Fleck: You think that all that conversation was surprising. Right now I can only get on once a day after school. You guy's post about 50 messages a day (exaggeration).
I love game music. As a matter of fact that's what I listen to when I'm surfing the internet. I've got to be careful I don't push my computer too much or it crashes. Some script kiddy hacked my computer. Not that it's hard. I used to have BlackICE on, but the computer just couldn't handle it. So the music takes up enough of my bandwidth to give him some trouble. I'm getting that bugger the second I get my new computer and can put BlackICE back on and get his IP. I've got a friend who will make him pay dearly. Of course for a small fee. Sorry, way off topic. It's the ADD.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/17/2003 1:52:14 PM | Message Detail
Tech, that's what I thought. I didn't think it was a FP Dungeon Crawler. I guess I will have to experience it soon, but there are several games way ahead of SotS at this point on the list.
Ganelon: Can you give a description of Der Langrisser? I have heard of that game before, but I have little experience (as posted earlier) with SFC RPGs. Damn DreamSNES!! All promise and no delivery. Actually it's not that bad, I just can't handle playing that slow.
Delin: Point taken with chess, but do you think that people will be playing SNES games in the 24th Century? I don't. But, anything can happen, I guess. I sure don't plan on stopping.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/17/2003 1:56:41 PM | Message Detail
chess is different though... it's a game with a different ending each time. SNES rpgs, on the other hand, are an interactive story which has the same ending everytime, except for games like Chrono Trigger, but they still have a limited number.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/17/2003 1:58:54 PM | Message Detail
I was just making a point. You asked what game do you play from that 17th- century. I gave you an answer.
From: Fleck | Posted: 12/17/2003 2:01:34 PM | Message Detail
True. But a good game is like a good book. I have read several books multiple times and I never tire of the story.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/17/2003 2:07:40 PM | Message Detail
lol ok ok i made a bad analogy. :P but i still don't think rpgs will be played anymore after we're gone. i like what that one guy said (can't remember his name): something to the extent of 'we all play old school games now because they bring back memories for us; kids a few hundred years from now won't have that sense of nostalgia when playing these games, therefore they will never play them. the only reason they may be remembered is if a series survives that far, and some company re-releases a history of-type game (i.e. - Final Fantasy Anthonologies)
but that's just my opinion...
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/17/2003 2:24:33 PM | Message Detail
I totally agree with you. I don't think that our games will survive after us, but they will survive with me as long as I am around. There will always be a sense of nostalgia when I bust out my Coleco from when I was 5 or my NES with Zelda. I know I won't ever tire of these games.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/17/2003 3:13:31 PM | Message Detail
JFC! Too many posts for me to respond too!
(Fleck 1 - I did enjoy Final Fantasy 10) I didn't. The sphere grid was the only thing the game had going, and later on in the game I felt that it was lacking.
(Patrick 1 - Conversation between me and you) I get bored between games, so I come here, and refresh snes general every 5 or so minutes while I play Minesweeper or whatnot. Yes, my life really is that boring.
(Fleck 2 - Favorite Import) I will not say Emerald Dragon. Unless you'll only let me count snes games. If I can choose any system, I would choose Star Ocean 3. With the ad in the back of the Final Fantasy 10-2 book, it's finally been guaranteed for a stateside release. People should get the game just because a few characters from another incredible TriAce game make cameos.
(Fleck 3 - Dreamsnes) I agree. That thing is the epitome of dog crap. Really. If I was triumph, it wouldn't be good enough for me to poop on.
(Fleck 4 - Classic Gaming Board) No, never been there. Is this console classics only, or do games like the Wizardry series and The Bards Tale games get discussed.
(Patrick 2 - Board Game) While not 17th century, a few friends play Risk and A Game of Thrones with me once or so a week. Does anyone else read George R.R. Martin?
(Techmaster 1 - 20+ posts) I go to bed at 12:00. I wait for Conan, then I watch Tough Crowd, then I watch Futurama and Family Guy. I finally fall asleep at 3:30 or so, and don't wake up until noon. Then I don't come out here until 2:30 or so. That's close to 15 hours of posts I missed.
(Ganelon 1 - Someone finally likes ED) I've been playing Emerald Dragon for quite a while, I just haven't been coming to snes general that long.
(Ganelon 2 - Snes version sucks) I agree. I got the disk images for a few other versions from the 2d, but I currently don't have a disk drive, so I can't play them.
(Fleck 5 - Der Langrisser) Der Langrisser is the snes version of Warsong 2. It's a Strategy game, which you get a few characters. Before each stage, you hire troops to accompany each of your characters, and when you level up, you switch classes, which will get you different types of troops to bring with you. It's a pretty fun game. Warsong is the prequel on the Genesis, and came out stateside.
I had to shorten all my answers because I ran out of post space.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/17/2003 3:25:38 PM | Message Detail
Cam, go check out the discussion on the Classic Gaming board and come back here and tell me what you think about games as art (what they are discussing). One guy used CT and FF VI as examples of why games should be considered art.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/17/2003 3:31:48 PM | Message Detail
I found the board easily enough, but what's the topic? I'm not about to read through the 5 or 6 200+ post topics looking for it.
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From: Ganelon | Posted: 12/17/2003 3:48:09 PM | Message Detail
Fleck: yeah, what Camden said. It's essentially an SRPG where you buy equipment and soldiers for your commanders pre-battle. In battle, your commanders and troops attack with the troops getting bonuses if they're in the commander's aura. You get exp. for killing enemies and once your commander reaches lv. 10, he/she can promote to a higher class. Der Langrisser improves upon the Mega Drive Langrisser II by featuring more symphonic sounding music and introduced the now famous plot branch into 3 different paths. It's a revolutionary game with great graphics by famed anime artist Satoshi Urushihara of Legend of Lemnear and Plastic Little fame, music by Lunar and Grandia composer Noriyuki Iwadare, and development by the great Masaya/NCS. Since Langrisser is my fave series, I may be a bit biased but I give Der Langrisser my highest recommendations even though I prefer Langrisser II more for better portraits and the synthesized music.
Camden: everything pretty much up to the N64 gets discussed in the classic game board. Yeah, sacrilege to the true classics I know but hey, it has been 7 years. It's a decent board with some pretty nice folks. The topic in question is "A general gaming discussion with Old School Gamers (SNG Volume X)."
From: Camden | Posted: 12/17/2003 4:14:44 PM | Message Detail
Yay for Plastic Little!
You kind of burned my little description down. I prefer Warsong 2 more, but that's probably because my DerLangrisser cart needs a new battery. Not saving isn't any fun.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/17/2003 4:25:55 PM | Message Detail
Camden-
i do the same thing... my life is equally boring. :P
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/17/2003 4:41:10 PM | Message Detail
I got to the post where the one guy said Chrono Trigger was the most perfect game ever, and all playstation rpgs suck, whereas all nintendo games for every nintendo console are stupendous.(I am exaggerating a little bit, but this was essentially what was said)
First off, I'd have posted there, but that topic seemed more like a video game version of a political debate, not a friendly discussion. Every post read as if the poster thought his views were superior, just because he allegedly knows more.
I lost all respect for that topic before it got ten posts(Not counting the 4,000 they say it's sown over two years.).
It's true that the playstation's library is less than stellar, but the diamonds in the ruff are easily better than half the crap churned out for Nintendo. The 64 in and of itself is reason enough to push them down a few flights of steps and laugh as it cracks it's head open.
Chrono Trigger isn't the greatest game ever. If you want a work of art, look to Super Mario Bros. 3, look to Pong, look to Pac-man, look to Tetris. Do not look to a rpg that's garnered most of it's fanbase because it was made by square.
If I said Me>Elitists, does that make me an elitist?
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/17/2003 5:07:24 PM | Message Detail
i agree that Chrono Trigger isn't the greatest game ever, but it is pretty high on the list, in my opinion. and you can't really say that it gained most of it's fanbase just because it was made by Square... true, it probably got most of it's initial players because it was made by Square, but it's fanbase comes from it being a very original, well developed interactive story.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/17/2003 5:43:52 PM | Message Detail and you can't really say that it gained most of it's fanbase just because it was made by Square...
Yes, yes I can. Granted, no one has to agree with me, but I'm still saying that.
Let's try another direction here. Do you think the people who bought Chrono Cross bought it because of it's gameplay? I'm pretty sure most people just thought that it was a square game, it was a sequel to a good game, so it's good by default.
WRONG!
Now I'm sure someone is going to stick up for Cross, so I'll get out my Protection from Fire spell, but the game was bad.
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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 12/17/2003 5:54:39 PM | Message Detail
:/
Hey, I posted in that topic today.
Though I guess I too am against elitists, which makes me an elitist.
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And I like the N64. One of my favorite systems, actually. It's the perfect compliment to PSX, since while it doesn't have many RPGs, it has great underrated gems. Sort of like SNES to Genesis. (I'm still a bit pissed that I can't play all the Genesis games I picked up in the past month because I don't have a working Genesis. Particularly Shadowrun, since I like the SNES version and I want to see the more faithful Genesis version.)
In addition to great titles from Rare and Nintendo, there's tons of games that I love. Like Mischief Makers, Mystical Ninja, Goemon's Great Adventure, Hybrid Heaven, Space Station Sillicon Valley, and Castlevania 64. I'm probably one of the few people who like the 64 Castlevania games. And Hybrid Heaven is a decent action RPG. It has some camera and control issues when you're taking out the security drones, but the battle system is somewhat similar to Vagrant Story (you can aim high, middle, or low on enemy bodies, and if you a part gets hit enough it prevents the enemy from attacking or stuns them outright if it's in the head) and provides a decent challenge. Sad that it is overshadowed by Quest 64...
...I've really gone off topic.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/17/2003 6:08:23 PM | Message Detail
yeah i didn't mean to say you CAN'T say something, forgive me... that wasn't what i meant. you've your own opinion, that's cool.
you're right, though... lots of games are bought blindly just because their predecessors made a name for themselves. i'm very guilty of this, as i bought Suikoden II and Suikoden III without hearing a damn thing about them (wasn't disappointed, though :P).
Chrono Cross was a pretty bad game. it would have been one thing if it were just next in the series, instead of being a sequel... but it was supposedly a true sequel happening 20 years later, but you get only ONE mention in the story about the events in CT (there may have been some hidden mentions, but i never played the game more than just to get the main story). it's not even close to related to the original final boss of CT (Lavos), and you never, besides above, get any mention of the original cast of CT. i mean... it's only 20 years later, they'd all be alive, besides they can travel through time. :P i *vaguely* remember a mention of Lucca, but i could be wrong though. if i said something wrong, forgive me... it only took me 2 days to beat Chrono Cross and i only played through it once, as it wasn't that fun to me. so correct me if i'm wrong.
all i'm saying, though, is that Chrono Trigger was quite an excellent game, and its fanbase is so large because it is such an excellent game, not because it was made by Square. it may have been initially picked up and played by the average gamer simply because of that Square logo on the front, but once played, people loved it because of its brilliancy.
you didn't do this at all Camden, but refering to other posts i've read in other topics; people have such a tendency to hate on Squaresoft because they are the leaders in Role-playing game development. true, Square has a massive cult following which will buy anything with their logo on it, but in my humble opinion, Square is an excellent company which produces better than average games. of course, like any other company, it has had its failures, but overall it IS the best rpg company on the map today. now i'm not a cult follower of Square, but i do tend to have a higher expectation for the games they produce... which is deserved, i believe.
just my opinion, though...
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/17/2003 6:08:42 PM | Message Detail
yeah i didn't mean to say you CAN'T say something, forgive me... that wasn't what i meant. you've your own opinion, that's cool.
I know you didn't mean it that way, but when I respond to a post, I always like to include a little bit of sarcasm or assholishness, if you will.
I'm not saying Chrono Trigger is a bad game at all. It's a great game. It isn't one of the greatest games ever.
I'm the same as you. I bought a lot of games based on hype and developer, and I wasted an easy $1,500 on bad playstation rpgs, when all I should have bought were the Suikodens, Star Ocean 2, Tales of Destiny 2 without the dialogue, the first half of Xenogears, and a couple hundred copies of Valkyrie Profile.
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From: One2 | Posted: 12/17/2003 6:12:44 PM | Message Detail
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I got to the post where the one guy said Chrono Trigger was the most perfect game ever, and all playstation rpgs suck, whereas all nintendo games for every nintendo console are stupendous.(I am exaggerating a little bit, but this was essentially what was said)
First off, I'd have posted there, but that topic seemed more like a video game version of a political debate, not a friendly discussion. Every post read as if the poster thought his views were superior, just because he allegedly knows more.
I lost all respect for that topic before it got ten posts(Not counting the 4,000 they say it's sown over two years.).
It's true that the playstation's library is less than stellar, but the diamonds in the ruff are easily better than half the crap churned out for Nintendo. The 64 in and of itself is reason enough to push them down a few flights of steps and laugh as it cracks it's head open.
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This is one of the most unintelligent posts I've ever seen on gamefaqs.
You are doing exactly the same thing as the guy who offended you so much.
From: Camden | Posted: 12/17/2003 6:27:01 PM | Message Detail
You are doing exactly the same thing as the guy who offended you so much.
And? I don't see why I can't. If his drivel is good enough for Gamefaqs, surely mine is as well.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/17/2003 6:31:59 PM | Message Detail
I also like to play the 64 on occasion, albeit there are no decent RPGs, if there are I've never heard of them, either that or they never made it to the US. There still are some decent games. Games like Perfect Dark, and others. The 64 was far from being a flop, but it was no complete success either.
One: Listen to Thumper. If you can't say nothing nice, Don't say nothing at all.
No one in particular: I should make that my sig.
Everyone: I think we are starting to drift from RPGs.
From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/17/2003 6:34:02 PM | Message Detail
can someone (who cares to waste time out of his day) give me the basic plot overview for Terranigma? spoiler free, please.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/17/2003 6:38:02 PM | Message Detail
Bah. I hit the back button and posted the first half without the second half.
If I said Me>Elitists, does that make me an elitist?
I thought that little line at the end would clear up any confusion on how I am similar to them.
The two points I'm commenting on are anything but one-sided. First I compare Nintendo to the playstation. I am in agreement with the fact that the playstations library is stocked with a plethora of bad games, but I'm disagreeing with the idea that every Nintendo game is great. If I thought that the playstation was the greatest thing ever, and nintendo completely sucks, I wouldn't post on snes general.
Second, I bring up Chrono Trigger. In a few other posts here, I make mention that the game is a great game, but it's not the Mona Lisa of games. The games I put up for alternates are classics, and most people like them no matter what genre of games they play. People who only play sports games could give a damn about Chrono Trigger.
I'm not about to apologize for expressing my views, but I'm not going to contribute to a topic that reads as if it is in a higher class. I thought my posts usually contain enough personality that everyone can usually disperse between my opinion and forced fact.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/17/2003 6:49:58 PM | Message Detail
Camden: Don't get upset when some unfriendly...ummm...unfriendly person comes in and slams you for being you. I've noticed that the fact that the internet is anonymous causes some people to do things and say things to people that the wouldn't say or do to you in public.
One: You want to idiocy go to LUE or RI. There's plenty there.
Topic: Let's see from the little I've played of Terranigma I can tell you this. Anyone please correct any mistakes. You start you as a trouble making kid in you village. You break a rule and (trying not to put spoilers) bad stuff happens to the people of your village. You are told that you are the only one who can help them so you go out and do so. That is all I know. There must be a greater story, but I haven't played enough to tell.
From: One2 | Posted: 12/17/2003 6:53:27 PM | Message Detail
Don't throw rocks if you live in a glass house.
From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/17/2003 6:55:58 PM | Message Detail
would you throw rocks inside your normal house? :P
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/17/2003 7:00:59 PM | Message Detail
I live in a nice strong house. Some of it is brick, other parts are blue vinyl sideing and since I live in a zone that regularly gets hit by some sort of tropical disturbance and it is up to code I'd have to say that it is quite strong.
Also, One you keep dragging us away from the topic.
Pat did that help you, do nothing for you, or make things worse?
From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/17/2003 7:02:12 PM | Message Detail
Just a simple note about Terranigma. Terranigma is one of those games that should only be commented on once you've completed it. Spoiler: Here's a little spoiler quote I made. "What you see with your eyes may not be what it really is." <- that would be my comment on Terranigma.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/17/2003 7:08:33 PM | Message Detail
It's not that I'm upset, it's just that I like to respond to everything, positive or negative. Having to type a lot gets me upset, because I'm a slow typer.
I'd like to know that if someone has a problem with me, they would be like One and at least address it. Otherwise it festers and people get pissed at me.
Don't throw rocks if you live in a glass house.
Where the hell did that little statement come from? Does someone actually live in a glass house? I know that one hotel was made of ice.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/17/2003 7:20:41 PM | Message Detail
It's not that I'm upset, it's just that I like to respond to everything, positive or negative. Having to type a lot gets me upset, because I'm a slow typer.
I understand now. My people skills stink, but I am a fast learner. :D
I know that one hotel was made of ice.
I think that they do it during the winter festival in...somewhere. Every year they carve out the hotel, people pay lots of money to say they slept there...then it melts.
*Trying to return to RPGs*
Don't know if it's been asked but Favorite RPG ever. Period. Any system. I'll give you an answer tomorrow. Need sleep. It's exam week.
From: Camden | Posted: 12/17/2003 7:28:11 PM | Message Detail
*Trying to return to RPGs*
*becomes the guy from Super Smash T.V.
Good Luck! You'll Need It!
Favorite rpg over any system? I don't think the question has actually been asked, but I believe most people have stated it in other posts. Not like I remember them, though.
Valkyrie Profile. Not only is it the first game I felt compelled to completely max the file, but I love games that incorporates real life aspects into their story. That's the main reason I started playing the Dynasty Warriors and R3K series.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/17/2003 7:31:59 PM | Message Detail
Hmm....any system..... I wouldn't say it's the best rpg ever, but Heroine Anthem 2 gave me this urge to keep on playing plainly by the fact that I want to know what is going to happen next. It's one of those few rpgs that would make me want to keep on going just by its story. There aren't that many games that would make me keep on going in the game like HA2 does. It's for the PC and not listed on GameFAQs (due to the fact that it's not released in either Japan or America).
Probably the only let down is that some parts of the game is on the edge of going over to 18+, which makes the game not suitable for all ages. I think in some countries it's rated as 15+. And the fact that I'm currently stuck in the game due to a bug in a certain area....cough.... (well, I have backup saves....but I need a way to fix the bug)
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/17/2003 9:28:53 PM | Message Detail
DAMMIT!! I go eat and to a movie and miss all the good conversation! You guys suck!! Alright, I am going to try an put in my two cents for everything that was said.
(Because I can, that's why!!)
Ganelon: Langrisser sounds sweet! Is it translated? I might check it out one of these days. How does it compare to games like Rings of Power or Shining Force? (BTW, I know that those are Genesis games, but I am having a hard time thinking of any SNES games that were released here that would compare.) Wait, what about Ogre Battle? Is it kinda like that?
Camden and PatrickPS2: You guys are losers!! (J/K)
Chrono Trigger: Chrono Trigger is not the greatest game of all time. What does fit that moniker has got me, though. There were some absolutely great things about CT: Plot, Battle System, Techs, Characters, etc. But, I find it hard to crown any game as the best ever. I will, however, entertain the idea that a video game can be considered a form of art. Do I mean that there should be a cartridge of CT in the Louvre next to Madonna of the Rocks? No, but there is a certain air of beauty with a game that can be looked upon in the light that people do. I mean, come on, name another game that gets discussed more than CT. People love and hate it. People see it as brilliant, people argue its mediocrity. It is very apparent to me that these are things that bring emotion into people. Isn't that what art is?
Also, I am sure that there were just as many people who bought the game because of the Square name as there were people who bought it because they heard what a great game it was. I fit into the latter category. Remember, I didn't get an SNES until a couple of years ago. The only memories I have of SNES were games that my buddy had that lived down the street from me and he didn't play RPGs. I started with Pencil and Paper, D&D stuff, then moved to PC RPGs (I actually played FF 8 before I played anything on the SNES), then got my SNES. So, the point is I am sure there are people like me that love RPGs and heard how great a game it was and decided to try it. I formulated my own opinion about it after playing.
N64: The N64 sucked. I'm sorry, but Nintendo should be ashamed of themselves. There are a few great games that came from the platform (Both Zeldas, yes both of them, the Castlevania game(s), Mario Kart 64, and a handful of others), but overall... Meh.
Squaresoft: This is a great company that has made some great games over the past decade, but they have made just as many bad/average games as good/great games, IMHO. They just make so many damn games that people assume they must all be good. Well, some are... and some aren't, I'm sure.
Now, the best RPG on any system... As I said earlier, I don't think that there is one game. I know that sounds like a cop out, but there were great games on all systems (except N64), like Grandia II and Skies of Arcadia for Dreamcast and, albeit my experience with Playstation is very limited, Suikoden and the Xeno series. The SNES has CT and FF 6 (and Lufia II, my fav), and the Genesis has the Phantasy Star series and Shining force I an II. I can't pick just one.
I think that is officially the longest post I have ever left on a message board.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/17/2003 9:41:45 PM | Message Detail
Camden, was Emerald Dragon released in the U.S.? GameFAQs has a release date for NA, but I have never heard of this game stateside.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/17/2003 10:57:07 PM | Message Detail
An NA release? Strange. There was no english version on any of the platforms to my knowledge.
DerLangrisser has two translations, but beware both. One was run through babelfish or some such nonsense, and therefore sucks. It was released April 1st, so most people shrug it off as a joke.
There is multiple paths you can take in the game, and the good translation only covers one of the paths so far.
As long as you're playing a rom, get the Genesis version. It will be titled Warsong 2 most places, but some stick to the official name, Langrisser 2. It has a full translation at the whirlpool. You have to use Genecyst to run it, though. Most other emulators crash during the first stage.
I believe the first Langrisser came out stateside, so if you like Warsong 2, you might try for the original.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/17/2003 11:18:21 PM | Message Detail
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I mean, come on, name another game that gets discussed more than CT. People love and hate it. People see it as brilliant, people argue its mediocrity. It is very apparent to me that these are things that bring emotion into people. Isn't that what art is?
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i just thought that was a pretty good statement. if art had a definition, i believe that would it. good point, Fleck.
i can't speak for Camden but i am definitely a massive loser. :P
one more thing, Fleck: props for that massive post. :P *applause*
i've a good question: sequels are almost never as good as their predecesor, so... what SNES rpg sequel/prequel best lived up to its predecesor's good name?
i'd have to say Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals. it was just as good if not better than the first Lufia.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/18/2003 12:36:50 AM | Message Detail
Patrick: I read the question, thought Lufia 2, and noticed you said Lufia 2. I'll vote Illusion of Gaia. Illusion of Gaia was much better than Soul Blazer, which is still a good game.
i can't speak for Camden but i am definitely a massive loser. :P
I'm a 19 year old unemployed virgin who lives at home. That could be a massive loser, or the greatest life one can live, depending on how you look at it.
Offtopic: The place where my dad works has vending machines, and whenever he buys something, he throws the change in a cup inside his locker. Every year around christmas time, he'll bring the change home, and we have to go through the tedious task of counting it. Usually we net a good $150 in change every year, but damn. We have a little over $800 this time! More presents for me!
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From: One2 | Posted: 12/18/2003 3:21:00 AM | Message Detail
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N64: The N64 sucked. I'm sorry, but Nintendo should be ashamed of themselves. There are a few great games that came from the platform (Both Zeldas, yes both of them, the Castlevania game(s), Mario Kart 64, and a handful of others), but overall... Meh.
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N64 > SNES.
You probably didnt even play more games than the ones you listed.
From: Fleck | Posted: 12/18/2003 7:14:11 AM | Message Detail
One2, you are more than welcome to view my list of games. It is in my sig. You can add Goldeneye, Mario 64, Perfect Dark, DK64, Paper Mario, and the Mario Parties that I don't own as games I have played. BTW, I should have listed the Mario Party games as greats. I don't know what the general feeling is toward those games, but I thought they were awesome.
The statement that the N64>SNES is just ludicrous. There are 4 times the games for SNES, 10 times the great games, SNES lasted far longer than N64 having just as formidable of competition, and the lingering popularity of the SNES far outweighs that of the N64.
Anyway, trying to get away from that discussion. I definitely agree with Lufia II. I know a lot of people that would say Breath of Fire II, but I thought they took a step back with that sequel. I don't know what it was, but the story didn't grab me, the play was sometimes tedious, and there were several good ideas (town development, for one) that they just dropped the ball on, IMO. I struggled to finish the game, putting it away and having to force myself to get it back out. I even tried to use the book and it was so poorly done that it didn't help the situation.
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The statement that the N64>SNES is just ludicrous. There are 4 times the games for SNES, 10 times the great games, SNES lasted far longer than N64 having just as formidable of competition, and the lingering popularity of the SNES far outweighs that of the N64.
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It may have 4 times as many games, but it dosnt matter since most of them are not good.
It dosnt have 10x more great games as you claim, you only say that because you havnt played many N64 games & because you are biased. I on the other hand has played most of the good SNES games & find the N64's library much better.
Popularity & how long it lasted has nothing to do with how good the console is. Just shows how little you know. If Nintendo kept making N64 games instead of releasing the Game Cube, then the GC probably wouldnt have a chance against Sony & Microsoft.
From: Fleck | Posted: 12/18/2003 8:15:52 AM | Message Detail
"Popularity & how long it lasted has nothing to do with how good the console is."
Then what does? Sales. The more popular anything is, the more sales it will generate. The N64 sales were nothing compared to that of the SNES.
"If Nintendo kept making N64 games instead of releasing the Game Cube, then the GC probably wouldnt have a chance against Sony & Microsoft."
So, let me get this straight... If Nintendo had not released the GameCube, then it wouldn't have a chance against the X-Box and PS2. Well, um... yeah, because it wasn't released... right... WHAT? I am going to assume that you mean that the N64 could stand up to the PS2 and X-box better than the GC? Surely, you jest. Look, I don't really want to get into an argument about SNES vs. N64 here, but we obviously have very different opinions on this matter.
Let's talk about RPGs again...
Not to keep going back to other boards, but I saw a string in another board (can't remember which one...) that made the argument that a Console's life, popularity, and sales were directly linked to the number and quality of RPGs on the system. It listed the success of the SFC as proof of this as well as the downfall of consoles such as N64 and Dreamcast. What do you guys think?
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/18/2003 8:34:35 AM | Message Detail
Oh, and please keep discussing best sequel. I didn't mean to switch topics so soon. I just thought of the RPG/Console success argument because of mine and One2's banter over the last several posts.
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From: One2 | Posted: 12/18/2003 8:37:20 AM | Message Detail
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Then what does? Sales. The more popular anything is, the more sales it will generate. The N64 sales were nothing compared to that of the SNES.
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The quality of it's games.
Like I said before, popularity (the same as sales) has nothing to do with how good it is.
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So, let me get this straight... If Nintendo had not released the GameCube, then it wouldn't have a chance against the X-Box and PS2. Well, um... yeah, because it wasn't released... right... WHAT? I am going to assume that you mean that the N64 could stand up to the PS2 and X-box better than the GC? Surely, you jest. Look, I don't really want to get into an argument about SNES vs. N64 here, but we obviously have very different opinions on this matter.
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I obviously meant if they kept making N64 games a few more years before releasing the Cube then it (Game Cube) wouldnt have a chance against Sony & MS. The fact is Nintendo had to release a new console to compete with Sony & MS it dosnt say anything about the quality of the N64. Besides the N64 lasted as long as the SNES anyway.
SNES: 1991-1996
N64: 1996-2001
From: Delin | Posted: 12/18/2003 8:51:01 AM | Message Detail
*Aggressively trying to stay on-topic*
One that means if you can't talk about RPGs then shut-up and go away. Anyway.
Not to keep going back to other boards, but I saw a string in another board (can't remember which one...) that made the argument that a Console's life, popularity, and sales were directly linked to the number and quality of RPGs on the system. It listed the success of the SFC as proof of this as well as the downfall of consoles such as N64 and Dreamcast. What do you guys think?
If you think about it there is a bit of truth to that. Everyone preaches the greatness of the SNES RPGs and people are still spending money to buy them. While some of the other systems are all but forgotten. DC, for example, is rarely ever talked about anymore. Probably something to do with it's quick death. N64 is also only rarely talked about in my circle of friends and that is only when we are feeling a little nostalgia for a good FPS (Perfect Dark). But like I said we barely mention it the rest of the time. I've stopped buying N64 games and only buy SNES now. Why? Because I consider the overall quality on the SNES to be better. Drifted again. Sorry.
Favorite RPG is probably ToP. (I can't afford much. No job)
And best sequel would probably be Lufia 2.
From: Ganelon | Posted: 12/18/2003 8:51:14 AM | Message Detail
Camden, was Emerald Dragon released in the U.S.? GameFAQs has a release date for NA, but I have never heard of this game stateside.
Of course not. GameFAQs now has many errors where a JP-only game is listed as being in Japan. So just ignore that in favor of your common sense. The date of release for the games are correct though.
DerLangrisser has two translations, but beware both. One was run through babelfish or some such nonsense, and therefore sucks. It was released April 1st, so most people shrug it off as a joke.
Heh, but the ironic thing is that it is the first complete translation of the game. The translator obviously did the translation but his command of English (or the limited command he wishes to feign) is so poor that it's not worth looking into.
There is multiple paths you can take in the game, and the good translation only covers one of the paths so far.
The one to look for eventually is Mr. D's translation patch. Everybody should be thankful for that. He announced a long time ago that Byuu didn't want the thing publicly released but they generously reneged on that notion just a few days ago. It is amazingly clean-cut and I can assure you that the level of English there far surpasses most translations, including the 1-scenario thing that's currently the best out there.
As long as you're playing a rom, get the Genesis version. It will be titled Warsong 2 most places, but some stick to the official name, Langrisser 2. It has a full translation at the whirlpool. You have to use Genecyst to run it, though. Most other emulators crash during the first stage.
Bah, I knew Hiryuu Honyaku and he'd never use the title "Warsong 2." Come on, nobody uses that name, not even at Whirlpool. Why don't you call Der Langrisser "Der Warsong" as well? =P And I should note that you shouldn't look to anything new Langrisser-related at Whirlpool like the upcoming new Der Langrisser translation since many members of the Langrisser translating community have beef with the site. As for emulators, Gens is really the best one (this game and everything else). Portrait colors in battle are not mixed up like in Genecyst. Make sure you patch to the 1.1 version of the ROM though. The 1.0 and 1.2 versions will not work and hang before starting.
From: One2 | Posted: 12/18/2003 9:04:41 AM | Message Detail
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One2, you are more than welcome to view my list of games. It is in my sig. You can add Goldeneye, Mario 64, Perfect Dark, DK64, Paper Mario, and the Mario Parties that I don't own as games I have played.
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Ok I did that now.
Your N64 collection is very small.
It proves you are biased, why else would you buy all those bad/average NES & SNES games while you didnt even bother playing N64 classics like Wave Race, Banjo Kazooie & Starfox 64?
You shouldnt talk like that about a console if you don't know anything about it.
From: One2 | Posted: 12/18/2003 9:13:37 AM | Message Detail
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If you think about it there is a bit of truth to that. Everyone preaches the greatness of the SNES RPGs and people are still spending money to buy them. While some of the other systems are all but forgotten. DC, for example, is rarely ever talked about anymore. Probably something to do with it's quick death. N64 is also only rarely talked about in my circle of friends
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That's obviously because you mainly visit SNES/RPG boards.
The N64 board is just as active as the SNES one & the Dreamcast board is MORE active than the SNES one.
Try again!
From: Delin | Posted: 12/18/2003 9:15:33 AM | Message Detail
One why are you bing so hostile. There is no need to be angry or upset. We are entitled to belive differently then you.
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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 12/18/2003 9:40:02 AM | Message Detail
I hate to drag the conversation off topic again, but I had to address this.
Chrono Cross was a pretty bad game. it would have been one thing if it were just next in the series, instead of being a sequel... but it was supposedly a true sequel happening 20 years later, but you get only ONE mention in the story about the events in CT (there may have been some hidden mentions, but i never played the game more than just to get the main story). it's not even close to related to the original final boss of CT (Lavos), and you never, besides above, get any mention of the original cast of CT. i mean... it's only 20 years later, they'd all be alive, besides they can travel through time. :P i *vaguely* remember a mention of Lucca, but i could be wrong though. if i said something wrong, forgive me... it only took me 2 days to beat Chrono Cross and i only played through it once, as it wasn't that fun to me. so correct me if i'm wrong.
I was less disappointed with Chrono Cross than I was Chrono Trigger, quite possibly because I played the CC first. Thought it was the closest I'd ever get to playing CT, so I enjoyed it. All the CT hype killed it for me when I played it. It wasn't a bad game. Just that it wasn't nearly as revolutionary or unique as I was told.
And there were plenty of plot connections with CT in CC.
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First, the Frozen Flame was a piece of Lavos. Or more accurately, a link with Lavos. And Lavos had merged with Schala when she tried to stop it at the Ocean Palace or whatever, allowing it to trancend time and start eliminating entire timelines.
Kid was a clone of Schala, found by Lucca, who had started an orphanage.
One of the 3 wise men of Zeal (forget his name; I think it was the one trapped in the future) had founded Chronopolis. Which then found the Frozen Flame and used it to create FATE. But after Serge had been chosen by the Frozen Flame, an AI program based off one created by Lucca called Prometheus locked out all access to the Frozen Flame. So Lynx, the avatar of FATE, went after Lucca and Serge to try to break the security program.
Also in the Home timeline, the archipeligo was conquered by Porre, (which had became a military power under the influence of Lynx, who had also had them invade Guardia to kill Chrono and Marle and get the Masamune/Grandlion or whatever it's actually called and corrupt it) in the absence of General Viper. Who was trapped in the Dead Sea, which was actually a distorted version of 2300 AD which was eliminated from the timeline by the defeat of Lavos at 1999 AD and was accidentally summoned by Chronopolis when Prometheus kicked in and shut down systems.
Not to mention that Lavos summoned Chronopolis back from 2400 AD because of the Frozen Flame, and that the planet/Entity summoned Terra Tower from another alternate dimension where the Reptiles and the Lunar Dragon (called the "Time Devourer" when it is actually the fused form of the 7 dragons) won in prehistoric times to fight Chronopolis and FATE.
And you use the Time Egg used to save Chrono to create a portal to the point that Lavos/Time Devourer exists to heal the fracturing timelines. After Chrono, Lucca, and Marle that fill in some of the gaps in the plot (despite no longer existing in either of the two dimensions).
And then there's the minor refrences, such as Pierre and the whole Hero Medal thing, fighting Slash, Ozzie, and Flea (who should have condiment names like Solt, Peppor, and Ketchop), the (b)End of time and walking around in a circle multiple times, and that many characters and ideas were based off Radical Dreamers from what I've heard (like Serge, Kid, Lynx, Guile, the Frozen Flame, the Einlanzer, a couple bits of dialogue, etc.).
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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 12/18/2003 9:40:47 AM | Message Detail
(continued from last post)
I'm not saying you have to like it, it's just that I find it a bit absurd to say that CC isn't a true sequel when it has so many references to CT and Radical Dreamers in it, and has some major plot points based off the plots of those games.
So, um, yeah. Off topic again. Sorry.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/18/2003 9:48:07 AM | Message Detail
Not really closer to the topic than what's been going on recently.
From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/18/2003 10:13:07 AM | Message Detail
Best Sequel: Dragon View. Drakkhen was horrible....
About Langrisser vs Warsong, I've seen a few lesser rom sites call Langrisser 2 Warsong 2 before. However, huge rom sites that have multiple roms for the game (like, different versions of the roms) tends to use Langrisser 2, which is indeed its proper name.
As for One2, this is a topic talking about SNES rpgs. It's not for you to argue is N64 better than the SNES or not. Also, something that would help you in your argument is a list of N64 games that you have played. You've only mentioned a few names, yet you have not include a list yourself. You've been saying that there's games on N64 better than the SNES. However, if you don't give out a list there's little credit to your argument. Backing your argument with proof is the basis of an argument. If you can't or haven't, there is little strength in the ideas you're presenting.
RPG wise though, despite that I'm not into N64 I do hear games from systems. However, I haven't heard as much good rpgs on the N64 as compared to the SNES or even the PSX. I did a little comparison from the RPG list on GameFAQs. N64 has 13 rpgs. SNES/SFC has an estimated 150+ rpgs (not counting one by one, just an estimate).
One more comment on your argument. You haven't stated anything about SFC games. My question is, have you played any of them? If you do, how many have you tried? If not, why are you saying that Fleck hasn't played enough N64 games and yet you haven't played enough SNES/SFC games? (although Fleck himself most likely haven't played a lot of SFC only games...) These are just suggestions and points I have taken. They are things to be considered into your argument. I'm not trying to say that you are wrong. However, here's a point I'd like to make about this whole argument. People themselves decide on if a game is good or not. What one person likes doesn't mean someone else would like it as well. Take me for example. I hate sports games, period. Take this into your argument. What Fleck think is a good game may not be considered by you, One2, a good game. Vice versa. If Fleck likes more SNES games than N64 games, then to Fleck SNES is superior. To you, if you think you like N64 games more than SNES games, then to you N64 is superior than the SNES. Conclusion: Everyone is biased.
Proof: I like top/down shooters more than Star Fox style shooters (let's use Starfox 64). Let's say that I like Strike Gunner STG more than Starfox 64. This is my opinion. You can say I'm biased, and that's because I like top/down shooters more. However, I can in turn say that you are biased because you like those type of shooters more than top/down shooters. See? In some way everyone's biased.
On a side note. From what I've heard the SNES is generally more durable than the N64..... Any proof on that?
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/18/2003 11:34:47 AM | Message Detail
Thank you, Tech, for putting into words what I have been having a hard time saying myself.
One2, we are just going to have to agree to disagree. I was very unimpressed with the number of what I see as good games for the N64 as compared to what I have seen for the SNES. The funny thing about all this is that I got an N64 2 years before I ever got an SNES. I think that my small collection of N64 games compared to my SNES collection is directly linked to what I feel/think about each system. There... I will no longer comment on anything related to this argument again. I hope that you don't feel as though you can't post here anymore, though, as good argument is always good conversation :P.
Dragon View is a great nominee for best sequel. I love that game and I have it posted in another topic as one of my top three "jewels" of my collection. One, because it was so damn hard to find and two, because it is such a great game compared to its predecessor. But, if I remember the original question correctly, didn't it have something to do with living up to the hype of the first installment? In that case Dragon View would not stand in that argument because of how bad Drakkhen was.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/18/2003 11:36:25 AM | Message Detail
Mr. Crispy, I am sorry that I can't comment more on the correlation between CT and CC. I haven't yet played CC because I do not own a Playstation. But, soon I hope.
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From: One2 | Posted: 12/18/2003 1:13:26 PM | Message Detail
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As for One2, this is a topic talking about SNES rpgs. It's not for you to argue is N64 better than the SNES or not. Also, something that would help you in your argument is a list of N64 games that you have played. You've only mentioned a few names, yet you have not include a list yourself. You've been saying that there's games on N64 better than the SNES. However, if you don't give out a list there's little credit to your argument. Backing your argument with proof is the basis of an argument. If you can't or haven't, there is little strength in the ideas you're presenting.
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I havnt seen any you post a SNES list in this topic.
If you want a N64 list, take a look at the top 100 list on the N64 board.
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RPG wise though, despite that I'm not into N64 I do hear games from systems. However, I haven't heard as much good rpgs on the N64 as compared to the SNES or even the PSX. I did a little comparison from the RPG list on GameFAQs. N64 has 13 rpgs. SNES/SFC has an estimated 150+ rpgs (not counting one by one, just an estimate).
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This is the problem with many of the SNES & Playstation fanboys. They think the system with the most/best RPG's is automticly the best & everyone who disagree is wrong.
I'm not a big fan of turn-based RPG's, I prefer the great racing games, party games, FPS etc. on Nintendo 64, somthing the SNES dosnt really have. RPG's are not more important just because they are your favorite genre. Infact i bet a game like Golden Eye sold more (N64) systems than any RPG did for SNES.
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One more comment on your argument. You haven't stated anything about SFC games. My question is, have you played any of them? If you do, how many have you tried? If not, why are you saying that Fleck hasn't played enough N64 games and yet you haven't played enough SNES/SFC games? (although Fleck himself most likely haven't played a lot of SFC only games...)
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I have played some, but like I said before I generally don't like turn-based RPG's which most of them are. Even if I hadnt there wouldnt be anything wrong in saying what I did since it's natural to only count the ones actually released in English. But no matter what, there is a big difference bewteen having only played 10 of the good N64 games (like Fleck) & having played 99% good SNES games released in English... don't you think?
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These are just suggestions and points I have taken. They are things to be considered into your argument. I'm not trying to say that you are wrong. However, here's a point I'd like to make about this whole argument. People themselves decide on if a game is good or not. What one person likes doesn't mean someone else would like it as well. Take me for example. I hate sports games, period. Take this into your argument. What Fleck think is a good game may not be considered by you, One2, a good game. Vice versa. If Fleck likes more SNES games than N64 games, then to Fleck SNES is superior. To you, if you think you like N64 games more than SNES games, then to you N64 is superior than the SNES. Conclusion: Everyone is biased.
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I agree but it isnt me you should be explaining this to.
It's "Fleck" & "Camden" who has made posts saying the N64 sucks etc. Go back & look if you want.
I only said "N64 > SNES." as a response to Camden's unnecesary attack on the N64.
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If anything it's probably the other way around. The N64 is even supposed to have some self-cleaning system.
From: One2 | Posted: 12/18/2003 1:20:05 PM | Message Detail
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One2, we are just going to have to agree to disagree. I was very unimpressed with the number of what I see as good games for the N64 as compared to what I have seen for the SNES. The funny thing about all this is that I got an N64 2 years before I ever got an SNES. I think that my small collection of N64 games compared to my SNES collection is directly linked to what I feel/think about each system.
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Like I said before you can't possibly know anything about the number of good games on N64 when you have played almost none of them.
From: Delin | Posted: 12/18/2003 1:27:01 PM | Message Detail
It's "Fleck" & "Camden" who has made posts saying the N64 sucks etc. Go back & look if you want.
The only one here who said anything slightly uncalled for about the 64 is Camden and that's just his way of showing displeasure in a system. He made a joke and for some odd off-the-wall reason you took it personal. Fleck, Camden, and Tech have been trying, rather unsuccessfully, to tell you that, while the 64 does have a few good points it, in their opinions, which they are entitled to and shouldn't be flamed for having, they are not enough to balance out the garbage. Now, if your not going to contribute to the main topic, I'll have to started marking your messages and I hate doing that. So, please if your not going to listen to reasonable people defend their opinions while you yell, "I'm right and your wrong, because I'm right" Then please for sanity's sake go away.
From: DeathMetalGuitarist | Posted: 12/18/2003 1:34:36 PM | Message Detail
i bought Wanders from Ys III back in the day for 15 bucks at a video game store, but i never beat it.
*spoilers*
like i get past the quarry, and when i fall into the lava like place with the crazy skeleton dragon, i think its a skeleton, my guy is never strong enough so i give up because i cant go anywhere past that point, i guess i just have to level up for ****ing hours in the quarry.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/18/2003 1:42:34 PM | Message Detail
I know I said I wouldn't do this, but...
"This is the problem with many of the SNES & Playstation fanboys. They think the system with the most/best RPG's is automticly the best & everyone who disagree is wrong."
This is a topic for SNES RPGs. What kind of people did you think you would find in here?
No one is saying you are wrong! We are just stating our opinions and they differ from yours! I am not going to tell you to leave, but I will ask you to please abide by the rules we all agreed on at the beginning of this topic and stop flaming people. Some of us didn't like N64. BIG DEAL!!! I am not going to go through a list and tell you every single game I have played, I shouldn't have to. I don't need proof to state an opinion. Neither do you. But, THIS IS A TOPIC ABOUT SNES RPGS! Do you want to discuss those with us? If not, then...
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/18/2003 1:44:51 PM | Message Detail
DeathMetalGuitarist: I have heard that is a big problem with that game. I am sure it isn't as bad as 7th Saga. I played for an hour and a half and still wasn't strong enough to get past the first dungeon. That is a little overboard. Did you like what you played of that game, though sans the leveling up?
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From: One2 | Posted: 12/18/2003 2:07:19 PM | Message Detail
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The only one here who said anything slightly uncalled for about the 64 is Camden and that's just his way of showing displeasure in a system. He made a joke and for some odd off-the-wall reason you took it personal.
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You are wrong, Fleck said:
"N64: The N64 sucked. I'm sorry, but Nintendo should be ashamed of themselves. There are a few great games that came from the platform (Both Zeldas, yes both of them, the Castlevania game(s), Mario Kart 64, and a handful of others), but overall... Meh."
The above is exactly the kind of stuff TechMaster accused me of saying even though I'm actually the only one who didnt try to pass my opinion as a fact.
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Fleck, Camden, and Tech have been trying, rather unsuccessfully, to tell you that, while the 64 does have a few good points it, in their opinions, which they are entitled to and shouldn't be flamed for having, they are not enough to balance out the garbage. Now, if your not going to contribute to the main topic, I'll have to started marking your messages and I hate doing that. So, please if your not going to listen to reasonable people defend their opinions while you yell, "I'm right and your wrong, because I'm right" Then please for sanity's sake go away.
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What the hell are you talking about?
The "I'm right and your wrong, because I'm right" ONLY fits on the people here who says X console sucks. I don't know what posts you been reading?
I don't flame anyone if they don't like the N64, but saying the N64 sucks & trying to pass it on as a fact when you have only played 10 games is lame.
From: DeathMetalGuitarist | Posted: 12/18/2003 2:09:06 PM | Message Detail
i liked the game from what i could play of it.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/18/2003 2:17:55 PM | Message Detail
Do you plan on going back to Y's? I am kicking around the idea of getting into it soon, but I have a list of games I want to get through soon and I can't play them all at once. I would be interested in hearing your opinions throughout. I've heard mixed things about it, but I would like to chat with someone while playing it and formulate my own opinion.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/18/2003 2:55:51 PM | Message Detail
Fine.
I am lame.
Now that we have established that, maybe we can get back to the subjects we were discussing prior to getting sidetracked. Here is a brief description (for those who may be just joining us) of what we were discussing:
1) Sequel that best lived up to its predecessor. Lufia II has gotten a couple of votes, as has Illusion of Gaia and Draogn View.
2) Chrono Trigger: Best game ever? Some think so, others don't.
3) Video games as a form of art? This idea sprang from a topic on the "Classic Gaming" board. Here are some of the posts from earlier to give you a taste of what was said:
"I will, however, entertain the idea that a video game can be considered a form of art. Do I mean that there should be a cartridge of CT in the Louvre next to Madonna of the Rocks? No, but there is a certain air of beauty with a game that can be looked upon in the light that people do. I mean, come on, name another game that gets discussed more than CT. People love and hate it. People see it as brilliant, people argue its mediocrity. It is very apparent to me that these are things that bring emotion into people. Isn't that what art is?"
I guess I am really the only one that has jumped into this very far, but I would love to entertain argument or discussion further about this.
3) Square-Enix (formerly Squaresoft): Do people like their games because of the name or because they are good games?
4) Will people still be playing SNES RPGs after we are gone/dead?
5) Yet another topic that sprang from a different board, but someone was making a point that the success of a platform could be directly linked to the quantity and quality of RPGs on the system. SNES/SFC was used as an example of this while the downfall of the N64 and Dreamcast could support this argument from a different angle. Any validity?
6) Whatever else you want to talk about...
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/18/2003 3:15:33 PM | Message Detail
Here's my reply to One2's comments...
1. One2, this is your argument with Fleck. In an argument, you present your points, then you give support to back up your own argument. I think you don't get it do you? Saying your opponent haven't proven their argument doesn't strengthen your's.
2. This is a topic about RPGs, SNES/SFC RPGs to be exact. This is not about racing games or party games. Also, you haven't read my explaination as a whole. You cut them into pieces and disect them. That kind of argument is rather dangerous. You've already made the mistake of strengthening my argument for saying you like those other games more than rpgs.
"Take me for example. I hate sports games, period. Take this into your argument. What Fleck think is a good game may not be considered by you, One2, a good game. Vice versa. If Fleck likes more SNES games than N64 games, then to Fleck SNES is superior. To you, if you think you like N64 games more than SNES games, then to you N64 is superior than the SNES. Conclusion: Everyone is biased."
Read what I started that paragraph with. "RPG wise" means that I'm judging the rpgs of these two systems, not judging the two systems by their rpgs. You just characterized me as a system fanboy because I was comparing the rpg of the two systems. That's another mistake you've made. You assumed. I never said that I was a SNES/Playstation fan boy. I never said that I supported either side, have I? You haven't been reading my post carefully enough.
3. Japan tends to hide some good games on their shores only....cough... Especially strategy RPGs. Those are like 90-95% all in Japanese... (or more) If you look a few pages (I use 50 post/page like Camden) before this you'll see a big list of SFC games under my name with "Not finished" on them. I like to check games out and just about most of the time I don't finish them. However, I do end up seeing a lot of different SFC rpgs. (there's a few that isn't listed on the list which I couldn't remember)
You also mentioned that you " generally don't like turn-based RPG's". It again strengthens my argument: People like different games. The system that they think is better than another one depends on which system has more game that they like. Everyone's different, so in a sense everyone is biased. A rpg player would like a system that has more rpgs while a fighter player would like a system that has more fighting games.
4. Well, you're the one here that doesn't like rpgs. Camdem probably don't like the N64 because the games on the N64 aren't the one he likes. As I stated again, Camden and Fleck think the way they think. You on the other hand think the way you think as well. This isn't just for you. This is for everyone. Why am I telling you this as well? It is mainly becuase you haven't really backed yourself up with anything. My repsonce basically satted with that single reason. Also, taking this "I have played some, but like I said before I generally don't like turn-based RPG's which most of them are." in responce to my have you played many sfc games gave me some thoughts. You think SFC games are mostly turn based rpgs. Wrong. There's other games on the SFC. Some would actually be considered as "party" games but were never taken over to the states. This leads to another one of your own argument. You argue that Fleck hasn't played enough N64 games. Yet, you yourself stated that you haven't played much SFC games which are just SNES games in Japanese. Havne't you thought before you stated your responce that your own responce is making your own argument working against you?
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/18/2003 3:16:38 PM | Message Detail
Anyways. Saying that my statement isn't for you doesn't really help you in you argument. Also, if you think about it, you're just like Camden and Fleck, except you support a different system and game genre, that's all.
5. Having a self cleaning system means nothing on how durable the ssytem is. Take a PS2, N64, SNES, NES, and an Amiga and push them off a meter high desk or a 1.5 meter high shelf. See the damage report and tell me which one is more durable to shock.
Another way to judge durability is how long does the system last before it breaks down. Having a self cleaning system helps it stay alive longer, but it doesn't mean the system is more durable. However, if a system is originally built like a tank it would definitely last longer than a cheap system made in some weird area.)
Personally, this is how I judge durability.
What is used to make the object.
Who made the object. (aka. Made in Japan vs Made in China)
Original design of the object. (basically, is there any parts of the object that would make the object in danger of certain shocks)
How well is the object's endurance to shock? (something hti on the object, object falls from high place)
How long does the object last in a certain area (note: different places have different climates, and these can shorten the life of the object). Two objects tested in two different places with totally different climates are not comparable.
Some factors to the life of a system:
- How well the system is preserved. (this would be where the self cleaning system goes)
- How often the system is used.
Here's a few tips on how to argue...
- You give out your reasoning. You must support your reasoning with proof.
- Look at the opposing argument as a whole.
- Make sure your own comments aren't strengthening your opponent.
- Find holes in your opponent's argument to strengthen your own.
- Don't ever assume something. You'll just be hit back harder if your assumptions are wrong.
- If your opponent asks questions, don't asnwer back in responce wtih the same question. It won't help anything in your favor.
- Avoid characterizing your opponent in your argument. If I recall this is a big flaw in an argument. It can also get rather dangerous. It can lead to more characterization which would eventually make you assume I'm a total loser and would make you not respect or not look carefully enough into my argument. When you addressed me as a SNES/Playstation fan boy there's already a chance that you'll be thinking that I think like a "fanboy" and not as "me" (I said there's a chance, not that you did).
- If someone is addressing this to you, don't push it off to someone else. That, again, doesn't help you much in your argument.
Hope you read through this post carefully.
DeathMetalGuitarist: That's a boss. In ARPGs, unless you have a superb amount of skill, lvling up majorly before a dungeon is a must. You can't kill the boss becasue you're not high lv enough. My suggestion is just die and return on your save. Keep on training until you're sure to beat him, then go beat him. Although, I do agree that boss was annoying.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/18/2003 3:17:56 PM | Message Detail
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/18/2003 3:24:26 PM | Message Detail
One: I tend to wonder if you are reading our posts and your own posts. You keep ignoring our arguments and taking them out of context. Now, please, contribute to the topic or, I'll say it since Fleck is too nice, go away.
1) Sequel that best lived up to its predecessor. Lufia II has gotten a couple of votes, as has Illusion of Gaia and Draogn View.
I've already voted Lufia 2
2) Chrono Trigger: Best game ever? Some think so, others don't.
I don't think it's the best game ever, but it is one fine game. Hopefully the best game ever still hasn't been made.
3) Video games as a form of art? This idea sprang from a topic on the "Classic Gaming" board. Here are some of the posts from earlier to give you a taste of what was said:
"I will, however, entertain the idea that a video game can be considered a form of art. Do I mean that there should be a cartridge of CT in the Louvre next to Madonna of the Rocks? No, but there is a certain air of beauty with a game that can be looked upon in the light that people do. I mean, come on, name another game that gets discussed more than CT. People love and hate it. People see it as brilliant, people argue its mediocrity. It is very apparent to me that these are things that bring emotion into people. Isn't that what art is?"
I concur.
3) Square-Enix (formerly Squaresoft): Do people like their games because of the name or because they are good games?
I think that the fact that they are square brings many people to play their games. I've played some for that reason but if they are not good I set them down. I have friends that love the new Final Fantasies, for the most part just because it's square, while at the same time I have people telling me how much of a letdown the entire Final Fanasy series has become since FF7. I don't know for myself since I've not been able to afford them yet.
4) Will people still be playing SNES RPGs after we are gone/dead?
I'd love to see that happen, but I don't think that it will.
5) Yet another topic that sprang from a different board, but someone was making a point that the success of a platform could be directly linked to the quantity and quality of RPGs on the system. SNES/SFC was used as an example of this while the downfall of the N64 and Dreamcast could support this argument from a different angle. Any validity? I made my point a few posts back.
6) Whatever else you want to talk about...
Ok...Ummm....ok....Anyone?
From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/18/2003 3:29:08 PM | Message Detail
One2, there's an easy way to counter what you've said. Fleck/Camden can just say that they're saying it as their own opinion and you're just assuming that they're trying to post it as a fact. I don't see either one of them making a topic like SNES>N64 on either SNES nor the N64 board. Doing something like that would be trying to make it as a fact. My argument is that whatever someone says, it is their opinion. You're the one assuming that they're trying to press it as a fact. In an argument, both sides are just opinions. An opinion can only be more accepted or less accepted.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/18/2003 3:56:59 PM | Message Detail
Tech, let it die, my man. If we keep pestering this guy, our whole topic will become a N64 v. SNES, Who has the bigger ding ding, bash against one another. Stop replying and he will go away or join the conversation in a manner more pertaining to the actual topic at hand (hint, hint).
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/18/2003 4:47:30 PM | Message Detail
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/18/2003 4:54:23 PM | Message Detail
Ahhh, the voice of reason. Thanks, man, maybe three of us saying to stop the madness will help end it. I can't wait to see Camden shime in on all this :P.
BTW, you're killing me with the spoilers, man! I haven't played CC yet, but now I know something I probably shouldn't have. I hated to do it, but I had to skip most of Crispy's post because of this. Oh, well, no big deal.
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From: One2 | Posted: 12/18/2003 5:00:33 PM | Message Detail
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/18/2003 5:03:08 PM | Message Detail
OH DAMN dude i'm SO sorry i didn't mark the spoilers... f*cking newbie mistake... damn... i hate it when people do that to me...
but if it makes you feel any better, i actually played through the entire game probably over a year ago and didn't find out that had happened until 5 minutes ago. :P
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/18/2003 5:05:56 PM | Message Detail
did he say 98% of SNES RPGS are crap? now you really are just trying to start needless negativity. there was NO need for that. *twitches trying to restrain himself from saying anything further*
i don't know if i can mark his post (as i'm a New User) but if i can't, PLEASE someone mark that.
thanks.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/18/2003 5:06:07 PM | Message Detail
LOL
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/18/2003 5:08:03 PM | Message Detail
^for future reference. Some people who like to have high MMA's will mark that as a censor bypass. Just a word of warning.
Anyway. I've never played CC, but I'm thinking about kidnapping my friends PS1 (not like he uses it) and playing CC on it. But that's another thing for another day.
From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 12/18/2003 5:10:30 PM | Message Detail
I'll try to stay on topic this time. Or at least closer to it.
Say, how is Ys 3 anyway? I saw a boxed copy (ok, it was the Genesis version) and I didn't know if it was either good or rare. How do the Genesis and SNES versions compare? I've heard that the SNES one has better graphics, but the Genesis one is harder.
Also, I am a huge SaGa fan, but I haven't played any of the Romancing SaGas. What character should I start with when I get to Romancing SaGa 3 in my queue? And what are Romancing SaGas 1 and 2 like compared to the rest of the series? Japanese is very intimidating to me, but I might play them eventually.
I can't really say what the best sequel is. I mean, the Final Fantasy games are sequels, and I rather liked 4. But then there's Breath of Fire 2, which is my second favorite BoF game after BoF5. And, um, well, I like Illusion of Gaia (which I believe I already stated). That's about it. I wasn't too into RPGs until a few years ago when I got into GB RPGs like Pokemon and SaGa. Which made me take a chance on a Playstation and the Final Fantasy series (yes, FF7 was my first FF. But at the time I didn't know that FFL was actually the SaGa series. And I certainly am not a fanboy. Well not a FF fanboy. SaGa fanboy, maybe. But I try to take an objective view of everything.). And now I need to catch up a bit. Like one of these days I'm going to get those copies of Lufia 1 and 2 that are at my Gamestop. Well, maybe.
As for whether I like Square-Enix games because they are Sqaure-Enix... Well, it's hard to say. It's hard to deny that Square has put out many high-quality, long running series. Final Fantasy, SaGa, Seiken Densetsu, Front Mission, etc.. Most of the games from these series that I've played have been excellent. So for the most part, if you loved one FF game, it's a pretty safe bet that you'd probably at least like some of the others. If anything, most of the Square games for PSX that I bought were to make up for games I missed. Final Fantasy Anthology, Legend of Mana, Chrono Cross... And, well, I picked up Vagrant Story on an impulse and liked it, and I liked the demo of Front Mission 3 that was included. So I picked that up later. You be the judge.
I'd better stop talking now before I get any further off topic. :/
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/18/2003 5:14:45 PM | Message Detail
oh sheesh you're right. i'm just a stupid newbie, forgive me. :P
sheesh. i go to work & come back to a topic with massive bad vibes. why would you come to an SNES RPG topic and start posting about the N64? obviously you're going to get an argument. but seriously, this petty little squabble is detracting from the reason i began posting on this thread: to talk about SNES RPGs with friends. keyword: SNES. if i want to talk about N64, then i'll click the mouse a couple times & find myself in a *gasp* N64 board. i have my message settings on 50 posts a page (like Camden's) & my page is filled with this argument. i'm not trying to argue, but if this doesn't clear up i'm going to find somewhere else to post. having to sift through the pointlessly argumental posts to find the posts about SNES rpgs gets to be a pain. i know i'm a newbie on this thread, so forgive me if i'm out of line. but seriously, this is stupid. :P
now, no more about the N64, please?
now.... MrCrispy! thanks man, you cleared that stuff up for me. like i said, i flew through that game in 2 days, and really didn't have time to pay attention to the details (stupid me).
***SPOILER***
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so... Crono and Marle were killed? WHOA. i totally missed that. that's huge! :P
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*this post was originally posted on 12/18/2003 @ 6.47.30pm central time; it was deleted and edited because i am a total moron. :P*
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/18/2003 5:19:37 PM | Message Detail
Mr. Crispy the topic is anything SNES RPG. You can get off-topic unless you post about something other than that.
Oh and BTW: Patrick I did mark that as trolling. What he said + topic = me very unhappy. That guy is definitely off my Christmas card list. Oh wait he was never on.
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^LOL
BTW
again: Mr. Crispy that is off topic.
Anyway
to some semblance of the topic.
In it's hay day Square was the best their was. Now people remember that, but forget that Square has changed and it is still TBD on whether or not it was for the best.
From: Fleck | Posted: 12/18/2003 5:19:56 PM | Message Detail
Why would they mark Laughing Out Loud for a censor bypass?
Crispy, I have heard the exact same thing about the two Y's III versions. Is there anyone who can answer this question. I am also thinking of picking up the Genesis version (for a rainy day, some day, maybe in the next five years).
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/18/2003 5:21:12 PM | Message Detail
^ACK
Forgot the < / i >
Ooops.
From: Delin | Posted: 12/18/2003 5:22:23 PM | Message Detail
Fleck that was meant to be for Patrick's post but you beat me.
From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 12/18/2003 5:31:03 PM | Message Detail
I'm glad that my off-topicness CC post was somewhat useful. Sorry that you were accidentally spoiled though. But it isn't necessarily true, it's just assumed from the PSX port's bonus anime endings that were added to boost connectivity.
*CT PSX spoilers*
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During the credits, it shows Chrono and Marle getting married.
After the credits, it shows a scene of Lucca finding Kid in the woods with her Astral Amulet.
And the other extra ending just showed Guardia Castle burning. All you see though, is Lynx's shadow fighting someone, and the words "AD (I forget the exact year). The fall of Guardia, and the disapperance of the Masamune...".
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So it isn't necessarily true; and even then it might only be in one or two of the universes prominently featured in CC.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/18/2003 5:38:00 PM | Message Detail
Isn't the entire premise of CC about just one of the alternate timelines you create in CT. Someone once explained to me as though your trying to help the universe make sense of the paradoxes you create in CT.
From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/18/2003 6:53:58 PM | Message Detail
honestly, i didn't quite get Chrono Cross. but then again, i did just fly through it. it's been years since i've played Chrono Trigger, but i don't remember anything about alternate timelines which were created...
it's my understanding that the whole area the game took place in (in Serge's world) was a small area that, on Chrono Trigger's world map, would be in the southeast. the clouds or whatever surrounded the area kept them from leaving and communicating with the Chrono Trigger world. only a few (like Lynx) ever made it out there.
that's just what i have inside my head as how Chrono Cross was set up. i don't remember exactly where inside the game i got that notion; it's probably entirely incorrect.
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From: mkwong98 | Posted: 12/18/2003 7:17:02 PM | Message Detail
Here is my vote on music:
1) Second tune in final boss battle of SD3
2) Battle music in Grandia 2
As for overall music in game:
1) SD3
2) CT
I'm surprised that very few of you mentioned SD3 in this topic. I guess most people don't use roms.
From: Camden | Posted: 12/18/2003 7:18:29 PM | Message Detail
you only say that because you havnt played many N64 games & because you are biased. I on the other hand has played most of the good SNES games & find the N64's library much better.
Yet you aren't biased? I don't see what the hell makes you better. Were you not the one complaining about me complaining about those classic board people. You're just as bad.
Just shows how little you know
You're worse than me and the people on the classic board. What's your problem.
Bah, I knew Hiryuu Honyaku and he'd never use the title "Warsong 2." Come on, nobody uses that name, not even at Whirlpool. Why don't you call Der Langrisser "Der Warsong" as well?
I could care less what other people call it. The first one was released as Warsong. So I call the second one Warsong 2.
It proves you are biased, why else would you buy all those bad/average NES & SNES games while you didnt even bother playing N64 classics like Wave Race, Banjo Kazooie & Starfox 64?
Well, unless you own every damn 64 game released, your opinion means no more than his.
I'm not a big fan of turn-based RPG's
Then why are you posting so much in a snes rpg topic?
It's
"Fleck" & "Camden" who has made posts saying the N64
sucks etc. Go back & look if you want.
I only said "N64 > SNES." as a response to Camden's unnecesary attack on the N64.
Saying the N64 > SNES is saying the snes sucks, because the N64 sucks.
He made a joke and for some odd off-the-wall reason you took it personal
I'm glad someone has unbunched their panties.
The "I'm right and your wrong, because I'm right" ONLY fits on the people here who says X console sucks.
Read some parts from your posts I've pasted. Your attitude sure seems to show that.
Why would I do that when 98% of all SNES RPG's are crap?
Ahem. In the immortal words of One, "how can you say what sucks if you have only played 10 of them."
I'm going to stop posting in this topic. The posts move to fast, I had to read over fifty to catch up, and I generally just don't like the atmosphere anymore. I'm sure if someone wants something from me, you can find me in another topic.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/18/2003 7:24:42 PM | Message Detail
lol and Camden goes out with a bang!
yeah i agree the atmosphere on this post has changed for the worse; stupid negative vibes. i'm giving it 24 hours and if i see another One2 post or anything geared towards it, then i'm gone, too.
but this thread was great before the whole N64 vs. SNES thing, so i have to give it a chance. :P i think it'll get better.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/18/2003 7:38:11 PM | Message Detail
WOW! Alright, that sucks... Well, it was fun Camden. I would hope that the posts of some clueless 12 year-old wouldn't phase you, but if you must go... I enjoyed our conversations and it sucks that you are going to leave. It is sad that something stupid like this can happen.
Anyway...
mkwong98: I am with you on the battle music in Grandia II. I mentioned earlier that I am not really big on game music. It doesn't do much for me and I never understood why people put so much stock into it. But, I did like some of the scores from Grandia II. Oh, and as a quick side track about music, I downloaded some FF6 music from Kazaa and played it while I was surfing around and really enjoyed it. Anyway, as far as SD3 goes... again, I don't have much experience with SFC RPGs because I don't speak Japanese and, as hard as I try, I can't get into playing an SNES game on my computer. Isn't that game supposed to be Secret of Mana 2? I think it might be time for me to find a way to hook up an SNES controller to my computer so I can play some of these great games that I am missing out on.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/18/2003 7:39:45 PM | Message Detail
Et tu, Patrick? I didn't see your post before. Should I just close this topic?
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/18/2003 7:42:59 PM | Message Detail
Delin and Crispy, you guys won't abandon me will you?
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/18/2003 7:46:51 PM | Message Detail
ahh... just to make it clear, Fleck: i really enjoy this thread, and it was no fault of anyone's but One2 for changing the atmosphere. *if* you decide to close this topic, please open another one with the same intent: to discuss rpgs with friends. in fact, i think maybe that'd be best: start a new thread, copy/paste the rules from this one onto that one, and give a brief overview in a second post about what we've been discussing recently. that way, we can clear out all this negativity, and this will be good clean fun again. :)
just a suggestion, though... it's up to you... you ARE sort of the owner of this thread. :P
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/18/2003 8:00:08 PM | Message Detail
What about you, Tech?
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/18/2003 8:05:09 PM | Message Detail
in the meantime, an off topic question- how do i get it to where i can post more than 30 times a day? this is so annoying i always run out of posts. :P
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/18/2003 8:10:42 PM | Message Detail
You just have to keep accumulating Karma. You get karma one for every day that you log in. Or is it one for every day you have an active message posted?
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From: mkwong98 | Posted: 12/18/2003 8:19:06 PM | Message Detail
Just need to log in
I think you get more karma if you submit a FAQ
From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/18/2003 8:21:21 PM | Message Detail
oh... thanks. umm... so are we going to start a new thread? i'm afraid to start any new discussion just in case we are.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/18/2003 8:30:07 PM | Message Detail
You know what? This is a new page. Let's just keep going for a day or so. If the chat dies off, we'll start over. What do you want to talk about? I'm game for whatever at this point. I was really enjoying this topic until all that crap happened. I knew I should have just ignored the guy, but I got wrapped up in it too.
Did you like Lufia II as much as I did?
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/18/2003 8:35:07 PM | Message Detail
lol that's cool... i just hate seeing what's in the previous posts (it's not on a new page for me) because this has totally gotten off topic. and i don't think you did anything wrong. i would have reacted the same way. :P
i LOVED Lufia II. (i'm sorry if i get their names wrong, it's been a LONG time) Maxim and his party were built up as the epitome of sacrificial heroes (martyrs, even) in the first Lufia. i was in love with their characters before they were even playable (while i was playing Lufia, before i was playing Lufia II). and i think their journey in Lufia II held up to every single thing that was said about it in Lufia.
sheesh, now i want to play it again... might have to fire up the rom tonight. :P
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/18/2003 8:46:19 PM | Message Detail
I have been waiting for my second copy of the game to get here. I think the battery in my first copy is dead. Anyway, I was supposed to get Earthbound with it, too. I had planned on playing through Earthbound and then getting back into Lufia II, but I ordered the games two weeks ago and they still haven't got here yet. I may have to file fraud charges on the guy before all is said and done. Which would you play first out of those two?
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/18/2003 8:53:56 PM | Message Detail
out of Earthbound & Lufia II? Lufia II, hands down. you know that 'Games that make you go "so... when does it get fun?"' topic? yeah... Earthbound is that game for me. everyone likes it, but it's just too silly for me. strange sound effects, strange music, strange weapons, armor, strange concept in general. i just don't like it. plus it's silly.
Lufia II, on the other hand, was a GREAT game. i won't go into detail about why it was a great game, that would take massive amounts of time & typing. but that leads me to another question:
why don't we see Lufia games being released now?
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/18/2003 9:33:02 PM | Message Detail
Now I remember us having that conversation. BTW, how is Paladin's Quest going? They are releasing Lufia games on the GBA. I don't know why they never made it to the N64 or GC.
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From: Teath | Posted: 12/18/2003 10:13:54 PM | Message Detail
You get karma for having at least one active message posted. Submitting anything, as far as I know, nets you no extra karma. If it did, people would submit poor excuses for FAQS just for the karma, and nothing else.
Like Fleck said, two lufias have been released on the Gameboy.
Patrick: Don't you like multiple references to pot and drugs in a game? Oh, and Orange Kid > Apple Kid.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/19/2003 7:18:34 AM | Message Detail
Teath, don't I know you?
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/19/2003 7:38:26 AM | Message Detail
I heard the Lufia GB games didn't deserve the title. I plan on checking that out for myself in the near future.
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From: One2 | Posted: 12/19/2003 7:40:03 AM | Message Detail
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/19/2003 7:41:02 AM | Message Detail
Alright, let's start this puppy over...
Favorite Non-Big name RPG?
I might go with Paladin's Quest here. (Still haven't heard from you Patrick, how is it going?) Actually now that I think about it, I have to go with Dragon View. I couldn't put the controller down when I played that game. I loved everything about it. Just enough FP view to satisfy the dungeon crawler in me and the side-view levels were fun. The bosses weren't all that hard, but difficult enough. And, the story ending was very cool.
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/19/2003 7:43:54 AM | Message Detail
Inindo - It deserves all the bad press it gets,, it causes me pain to get through it, but I like it.
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/19/2003 7:45:24 AM | Message Detail
*I beat Paladin's Quest on a 2 or 3 week rental. It to is a game that deserves notice.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/19/2003 7:45:43 AM | Message Detail
Is it really that hard?
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/19/2003 7:46:15 AM | Message Detail
Inindo, I mean.
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/19/2003 7:47:08 AM | Message Detail
Crazy hard. Sleep bombs are the key though.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/19/2003 7:48:35 AM | Message Detail
Is it like most Koei games? It isn't the take your army here and click type SRPG is it? I obviously know nothing about the game. I have been trying to find it to no avail.
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/19/2003 7:54:39 AM | Message Detail
As far as I know there is no KOEI game like it. It's an RPG, almost no strategy rpg elements. You explore overhead dungeons looking for items you're told to find. It's very long and very repetitive. Raising your level does almost no good. The final enemy of several dungeons is just bloody hard from what I know.
Where the game gets interesting is the overworld (continued)
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/19/2003 7:58:51 AM | Message Detail
The game has about 30 provinces. You need to get certain provinces to fall to allied armies if you want to explore their dungeons. So you can raid the main castles of the bad provinces to try to convince other provinces to attack. I think that was hard to read, just read a review. It is a game that has some nice innovations but seriously suffers from control issues as well as obscene dificulty but has some nice innovations.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/19/2003 8:16:16 AM | Message Detail
Fleck-
i didn't get too far into it, as i lent out my controller to one of my friends, and found it just too annyoing and non-traditional to play on a keyboard. so i'm waiting to get that back. the little bit i did play was fun, though.
Teath-
no i don't like multiple references to drugs in games. :P
Strange little voice i keep hearing-
by newbie to the thread i meant i've only been posting here a few days. that doesn't mean i haven't read every single word in each of the 271 posts so far. since you have nothing but negativity to add to this thread, your posts will be read no more. all replies to any comments you make will cease. can someone please mark that last post as well? i'd really appreciate it.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/19/2003 8:18:40 AM | Message Detail
oh i also meant to mention the Lufias on GBA. i knew they existed up to III and IV, but i didn't know they were still producing? and i've heard the same as math deity, they hardly live up to their Lufia titles. i've yet to play them to find out for myself, though.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/19/2003 8:28:30 AM | Message Detail
Yeah, I have heard the same thing, but who knows? I have heard somewhere that there is a new one in development. Maybe I will look again later on the net and try and see where I found that article.
Inindo dungeons... are they similar to Brandish? I really disliked that game. I didn't get far enough to give it a real shot, but lets just say it is at the bottom of a very long list of games to play.
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/19/2003 8:41:32 AM | Message Detail
*sends e-mail*
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/19/2003 8:51:48 AM | Message Detail
Bah!
I go to sleep and then school, come back and you guys are talking about ending the thread and Camden has left. Oh, well Christmas break rules, can't miss to much now. Fleck you asked if I'm still with you. I am. I'm not one to leave because of bad vibes. Lord knows I have enough experience from school. Anyway.
Topic:
I've also heard that the other Lufia games pale in comparison to the first two. I was playing the first one, but the battery died so I'm got to wait until I can get a bit to open up the cart and replace it.
From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/19/2003 9:00:39 AM | Message Detail
we were only talking about closing this thread to start a new one that was free from trolls and flames. we had no intention of ending discussion! but it doesn't matter now.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/19/2003 9:34:37 AM | Message Detail
I was just listening to a classic gaming radio station. When the battle music for Culex came on. Wasn't that the most annoying drawn out battle you've ever fought. Just tape down the "a" button, walk away, and come back in a few hours and you'll be in time to see him fall (ok a little exaggeration, but hey that's a long battle)
From: One2 | Posted: 12/19/2003 9:37:02 AM | Message Detail
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since you have nothing but negativity to add to this thread
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So it's ok to post negative stuff as long as you remember to put 3 lines at the end of your post saying "Lufia r0x0rs!!11 but Chrono Trigger still PWNS it" or some other stuff about RPG's that dosnt matter? That's what everyone except me has been doing.
From: Fleck | Posted: 12/19/2003 9:39:51 AM | Message Detail
Thanks, Delin!! We'll have this sucker at 500 posts in no time and can then start anew.
I decided to give Lagoon another try while I wait for Earthbound and my second copy of Lufia II to arrive (if they ever do). I had forgotten how bad the controls in that game are. There is a real bad slow down problem, too, when there are multiple enemies on-screen. I really am going to give a concerted effort in beating this game. Anyone know how long it is? I just got the second tablet in Elf Field, so I know I have a long way to go, but...
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/19/2003 9:51:14 AM | Message Detail
I was just thinking, that no matter what you have to say about CT and the Final Fantasies, you've got to admit they have great music scores. Or am I the only one with this thinking?
From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/19/2003 9:59:53 AM | Message Detail
yeah... Nobuo Uetmetsu (spelling) is a great video game music composer. like i said, The Phantom Forest (ff6) played as a piano solo is my favorite song from a video game yet. you have a radio station that plays video game music?
oh and just for the hell of it i fired up Soulblazer... how could i not have noticed Illusion of Gaia was its sequel? it's so much alike... bleh, i guess i just played them too far apart. now i HAVE to try Terranigma.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/19/2003 10:09:37 AM | Message Detail
Umm...not in town it's off the internet. If you have winamp
put
http://classic.gamingfm.com/listen24.pls in
and it should stream right off. It's a great way to pass the time between posts.
From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/19/2003 10:12:04 AM | Message Detail
ohh... awesome! thanks for the link... i thought maybe you had XM radio or something. *shrug*
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/19/2003 10:12:43 AM | Message Detail
Oh and BTW Patrick I just saw your new sig. Love it. I'll either do that or my Thumper quote.
From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/19/2003 10:16:12 AM | Message Detail
hehehe thanks. since apparently i put that in every post, i figured i'd go ahead and save myself the trouble of typing it out each time. :P
this radio thing rocks... brings back memories... Lufia's last battle is on now...
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/19/2003 10:30:08 AM | Message Detail
Fleck, I wasn't able to reply to that post of your's because I was probably sleeping.
Hmm.... I remember Inindo (did I forgot to put it on my no finished game list?).
Spoilers...
I remember it was fun. I did some double spying for two countries that are in bad relationship with each other lol. It's rather fun to spy/savatage a city that's both your enemy as well as your employer. Never beat the game because I didn't get a good team together. The lvling goes quite well and useful until you hit the midway point (around lv40-50). For some odd reason, each lv you get from then on is like lvling from the start (lv1, giving you crappy stat bonus when you lv up) and you still have to earn a lot of exp points in order to lv. Also, it's either a good side or a bad side of the game, but enemy from a dungeon disappears once you visitted the next two dungeons or something like that. This leaves an empty dungeon for you to explore if you haven't grabbed any of its items. The downside of this is that monsters in the last dungeon are tough and doesn't give the most exp points. There's better training places in previous dungeons, but if you visitted too many others chances are you can no longer find any monsters in that dungeon you wish to train in.
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From: Teath | Posted: 12/19/2003 11:28:48 AM | Message Detail
Teath, don't I know you?
I'm sure you do.
I heard the Lufia GB games didn't deserve the title.
The GBC Lufia wasn't a bad game, but the GBA one didn't offer much.
no i don't like multiple references to drugs in games. :P
You're no fun.
I'm not one to leave because of bad vibes
That was underhanded.
So it's ok to post negative stuff as long as you remember to put 3 lines at the end of your post saying "Lufia r0x0rs!!11 but Chrono Trigger still PWNS it" or some other stuff about RPG's that dosnt matter? That's what everyone except me has been doing.
It's an rpg topic, so yes. Learn the rules. And not just the ones in post #1.
I was just thinking, that no matter what you have to say about CT and the Final Fantasies, you've got to admit they have great music scores. Or am I the only one with this thinking
I love the Final Fantasy 3 score, but Chrono Trigger never impressed me much, save for the magus battle theme.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/19/2003 11:40:46 AM | Message Detail
i've a question i want to ask... it's kinda off topic, but kinda not. what's everyone's age? i just want to know if there's a certain age group that plays these nostalgic RPGs...
i'm 19.
*by the way, i'm about to run out of posts on the day again, dammit*
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Teath | Posted: 12/19/2003
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I'm also 19.
*high fives you*
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/19/2003 12:13:27 PM | Message Detail
Patrick: In a week, you'll be able to post 50, and in a month you'll get to 80. After that there are no restrictions.
I am 26 (I know, I'm an old fart).
It's alright, Teath, I dig drug references.
BTW, I am hating Lagoon. Its OK for what its worth, but the controls are killing me, and there is no story direction at all. That little crappy sword they give you sucks and when you swing it, you can only hit enemies on that side of you, sometimes missing things directly in front. AAAHHH!!!
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/19/2003 12:40:43 PM | Message Detail
*high fives Teath*
Fleck-
good because this 'you are only allowed to post 30 messages every 24 hours. In the past 24 hours, you have posted 28 messages' is annoying. :P
i was kinda thinking that no one under 18 would really play them, as SNES was kinda before that time. we'll see though. keep posting ages.
i started Soulblazer just to see how similar it was to Illusion of Gaia, and now i can't put it down. :P
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/19/2003 12:44:59 PM | Message Detail
Soulblazer is pretty addicting. I really enjoyed resurrecting all the different things for each town. Very cool and unique. I don't know how much longer I am going to torture myself with Lagoon. Maybe it'll get better as I go... probably not, though.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/19/2003 1:01:41 PM | Message Detail
I'm 17, one of the few, the proud, under 18 old-school gamers. Sure I've been mocked and ridiculed because of that fact, but let me tell you old-school is not only cheaper, it's more fun. We are a rare breed. I think that only under certain circumstances will someone my age get stuck in the early 90's, like I did. I just got disillusioned with the new systems, returned to my roots, and found them just as strong as ever.
From: Fleck | Posted: 12/19/2003 3:32:40 PM | Message Detail
Alright, the more I play Lagoon, the more it isn't that bad. I don't want to say the better it gets, but I've learned that if you just stand still and fight with your sword it is a lot easier than charging into an enemy. Anyone who has thought of giving this game a try needs to keep that in mind.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/19/2003 3:42:33 PM | Message Detail
I better give it a try again. I didn't like it the first time I played. (although not as much as Drakkhen)
Btw, I'm 18. 19 in two months.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/19/2003 4:03:08 PM | Message Detail
Don't let it jump in front of anything else on your list, but it isn't as bad as I remember it, although it is pretty bad. Let me know what you think of it once you allow yourself to get past its mediocrity and actually play through it for a while.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/19/2003 5:15:18 PM | Message Detail
yeah i figured we would all be about this age... Delin's a little young, but i guess if he got into games a little early he caught the SNES wave. and Fleck surprised me. i was thinking... 18-20. :P i was off. :P
about Soulblazer. how long is the game? i can't remember. is there a definite bad guy, or am i just freeing creatures from these monster lairs? i can't remember anything about this game... sheesh...
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From: Teath | Posted: 12/19/2003 8:27:39 PM | Message Detail
Sure I've been mocked and ridiculed because of that fact
That's sad. Who goes out of there way to poke fun at someone for that.
Oh, me...
New Usership sucks. This is the third time I've been limited in messages. Each time it's worse. At least this name can't get enticed by LUE.
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From: DeathMetalGuitarist | Posted: 12/19/2003 9:01:43 PM | Message Detail
smoking on past me.
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From: Teath | Posted: 12/19/2003 11:01:37 PM | Message Detail
Twenty-six(I already forgot, and I'm to lazy to hit the back button to make sure) isn't all that old.
Fleck will just have to go get us all beer.
I've only used seven of my thirty messages. I don't post as much as I used to.
Oh, Lagoon. It's not that bad. I don't seem to have a problem with the attack directions.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/20/2003 1:10:28 AM | Message Detail
Anytime, my friend, anytime for beer is good for me. I am actually a little dryunk right now. We had our conpamy Xmas party tonight and Tanqueray and Tonic is nice. I am going to bed now, but you guys rule and,,, yeah.
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/20/2003 1:37:15 AM | Message Detail
Heh, I'm 26 too. And if you couldn't tell I was QUITE drunk last night. I'm afraid to go back and try to decipher my posts >_< Now playing Dual Hearts (PS2) someday this game will be considered and overlooked gem.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/20/2003 5:12:09 AM | Message Detail
Delin's a little young, but i guess if he got into games a little early he caught the SNES wave.
I guess that makes me the little whippersnapper.
The SNES was my first system. I got it for Christmas after it came out. So, I guess that means I've been playing the SNES off and on for nearly 11 years now.
From: Fleck | Posted: 12/20/2003 8:50:40 AM | Message Detail
Yeah... Sorry about the drunken post. Anyway, I'm going back to Lagoon later.
Math Deity: I've heard you talk about Dual Hearts before. Is it PSX? I will be getting one maybe soon. Should I get this game? Tell me about it.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/20/2003 1:24:50 PM | Message Detail
I think he clearly mentioned that it's for the PS2, Fleck.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/20/2003 4:23:41 PM | Message Detail
Oops. I'm a jackass. Should have read it more thoroughly.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/20/2003 4:41:49 PM | Message Detail
Getting back on topic...
I know we have asked what your favorite non-mainstream RPG is, but I know I like a lot more than just one. What about you guys. Name the game and give a little ditty on why.
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From: Teath | Posted: 12/20/2003 5:27:39 PM | Message Detail
And if you couldn't tell I was QUITE drunk last night.
How the hell can you tell if someone is drunk by looking at a message board post? There are a lot of people who type really bad when they aren't drunk. There are probably people who type better drunk.
Favorite non-main rpg? Do I really need to answer? You probably know what I'll say.
How about favorite rpg name? The game can be horrible, but what game do you like just by hearing the title?
Mine is Holy Umbrella. I haven't played the game yet, and just ran across it, but it's already my favorite game title ever. It might be an action/rpg, but it still sounds terrific.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/20/2003 6:53:27 PM | Message Detail
i don't know what you're going to say, Teath. :P
as far as RPG names, if you think about it, Final Fantasy is kind of stupid. sounds like a porno or something. and Final? uhh... they are definitely still making FF games, so none of them were the last ones. :P basically every Final Fantasy title has lied to us. :/
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From: Teath | Posted: 12/20/2003 7:02:41 PM | Message Detail
as far as RPG names, if you think about it, Final Fantasy is kind of stupid. sounds like a porno or something. and Final? uhh... they are definitely still making FF games, so none of them were the last ones. :P basically every Final Fantasy title has lied to us. :/
I believe it was called Final Fantasy because when they made the first one on the nes, it wasn't even meant to sell good. They were prepared to close up shop, so they called their final game "Final Fantasy". It sold well, and you know the rest.
You don't know mine? I thought my posts from earlier would have told you.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/20/2003 7:03:32 PM | Message Detail
Name, huh? How about The Twisted Tales of Spike McFang. I guess that one is pretty obvious, but I think its funny. You know what game through me off? And, it isn't an RPG, but a platformer with a good name. Incantation. I can't believe they wasted a good game name like that on the piece of crap that went with it. Ugh. Has anyone ever played this game? I saw it in Vintage Stock here and had never heard of it. I couldn't find any information on it, so when I went back to get it... gone. So I searched high and dry for it and finally got a copy off Half.com for $15. Worst $15 I've ever spent. If you're a rare game collector, its not bad I guess because the game is pretty rare, but it is pure unadulterated crapola.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/20/2003 8:06:12 PM | Message Detail
oh... Holy Umbrella? sounds cool... feel like typing out a plot overview?
thanks for the FF info. forgive me, my brain cells are running on liquor right now. ugh, in fact, to save myself from saying anything stupid, i'll refrain from posting here until the morning. see yall then.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/20/2003 8:23:32 PM | Message Detail
i know i said i wouldn't post anymore tonight, but i just wanted to say i just went and looked at the *only* walkthrough for Holy Umbrella on GameFAQs, and... it looks like it rocks. :P i'm definitely playing this game. :P
now, to begin the search for the Holy Umbrella!! :P
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/20/2003 8:27:26 PM | Message Detail
Is it translated?
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/20/2003 8:29:39 PM | Message Detail
well, the only screenshot GameFAQs has to offer shows the title page in japanese with the words 'Holy Umbrella' written behind it in english... plus the walkthrough is written. so i'm assuming yeah.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/20/2003 8:37:52 PM | Message Detail
I saw the screenshot. Looks pretty sweet. I wouldn't be so quick about the translation, though. There are lots of walkthroughs posted for games that aren't translated. Teath, do you speak/read Japanese or do you play translated ROMs?
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/20/2003 8:59:50 PM | Message Detail
Hey, this whole Lagoon experience has got me thinking. What would you guys think about picking an RPG and all start playing it and talk about it throughout all our progress. It doesn't have to be some obscure game that no one has ever heard of or anything. It can even be a ROM of a game (Holy Umbrella, maybe?). Anyway, we can all go vote and then post about the experience as we each play through. Who's in? I think it would be fun.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/20/2003 9:09:56 PM | Message Detail
i'm in. we could do like a book club thing, only not as nerdy. :P someone look at a walkthrough and pick a certain point for everyone to stop so everyone will have a chance to keep up. i don't know if this would work or not, but i'm willing to give it a chance. :P
instead of nerdy i put a word that rhymes with ray, starts with a G... i got this message:
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You may go ahead and make this post, but it will be automatically flagged for review by a moderator.
sheesh. aren't we a little oversensitive here?
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From: Teath | Posted: 12/20/2003 9:17:51 PM | Message Detail
feel like typing out a plot overview?
I just ran across it today. Strange names like that catch my eye, so I figured I'd give it a try. I'm only at the first town still.
Is it translated?
I doubt it. I did a quick google search, and nothing important came out of it.
Teath, do you speak/read Japanese or do you play translated ROMs?
I can do absolutely nothing with the japanese language. Whenever I play an import, I always skip through the text until I get to the fighting.
i'm in. we could do like a book club thing, only not as nerdy. :P
Don't diss Oprah. She saves people from horrible depressions and eating disorders. She also has a sweet magazine name. O. Yeah...
someone look at a walkthrough and pick a certain point for everyone to stop so everyone will have a chance to keep up
That would work.
instead
of nerdy i put a word that rhymes with ray, starts with a G... i got this
message:
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If
you use the term "***" as an insult in any way, shape, or form to
anyone or anything (even inanimate objects), it's considered a severe TOS
violation.
You
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review by a moderator.
sheesh. aren't we a little oversensitive here?
Is gay such an important word that you need to use it at all? It's not like another word would have been hard to come by.
Holy Umbrella is alright. The fact that you can't run in the battle areas sucks. At least I don't think you can.
NOTE: If the use of that word gets this post modded, that's stupid. I'm not using it as an insult in any way.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/20/2003 9:20:27 PM | Message Detail
I got modded not too long ago for posting a reference to the 'S' word. I put an S and three *** and got modded. I think that is a little overboard when ****ing is OK to post. Anyway, I like the idea of picking a point to stop so everyone can be on the same page. We don't even have to play that fast, we could do like one or two dungeons a week or something and compare strategies and stats and so forth.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/20/2003 9:23:13 PM | Message Detail
Is that the game we want to try? Do we want to let everyone pick a game and rotate them through everyone that is participating?
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From: Teath | Posted: 12/20/2003 9:27:34 PM | Message Detail
I don't care which game we play. If it's an import, I'm fine as long as there isn't an abundance of text. So far Umby isn't that bad.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/20/2003 9:31:10 PM | Message Detail
Is *** such an important word that you need to use it at all? It's not like another word would have been hard to come by.
no, it's not... that's why i changed it out. i just wanted to point out the warning, because i think that's a little overboard.
i like the comparing strategies and stats thing. this would be quite fun, though i think the differences in everyone's schedule will make this very hard to keep doing. but definitely, if yall are up, then we should try it.
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From: Teath | Posted: 12/20/2003 9:32:36 PM | Message Detail
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From: Teath | Posted: 12/20/2003 9:55:37 PM | Message Detail
We should wait to see if anyone else is interested, it would be nice for them. Other than us three, Delin and Tech are the only two other main posters around here.
If you actually got to read my above post, nevermind. I figured it out.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/20/2003 9:59:06 PM | Message Detail
yeah i agree on waiting... but i don't think we should pick an untranslated import. the reason i play RPGs is because of the story...
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/20/2003 10:05:43 PM | Message Detail
Mr. Crispy might be interested. Math Deity would probably be in as well. Who knows? Maybe we'll get a straggler or two also.
The schedule thing is why we should just take it slow. My job is about to get very demanding and I am going to have to work real hard over the next couple months, but my wife will be gone for half of Jan. and Feb., so I should have a lot of free time at night. If we all finish before the deadline, then we can move on and set a new goal or whatever.
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From: Teath | Posted: 12/20/2003 10:31:35 PM | Message Detail
Job?
Wife?
I'm sorry...
The reason I brought up an untranslated rpg game,(was it in my deleted post?) is because Umby is the current game, and that's exactly what it is. If there is any specific game anybody wants to do this with, say so.
We may even want to choose a mainstream game first, so everyone has an easier time the first game. That way if somebody gets stuck, it would be a lot easier to help them out.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/20/2003 10:59:31 PM | Message Detail
Yeah... that whole responsibility thing sucks. My wife is hot, though. That's a plus.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/20/2003 11:00:45 PM | Message Detail
Let's see who we can pick up by Monday and then we can pick the game. How's that sound?
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/20/2003 11:17:14 PM | Message Detail
Monday is fine with me. Should we post in this topic, make a topic on the associated board, or make a topic on a completely random board?
My wife is hot, though. That's a plus.
Great! I'm not hot enough to even be able to talk to someone hot. They always just stare at me for a few seconds, then start talking to someone else again.
It sucks when they don't have anyone else to talk to, because everything gets eerily silent.
I stopped using Teath... I ran out of messages for the 24 hours...
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/21/2003 4:51:44 AM | Message Detail
Yeah, I'm in.
I do have reservations about whether it'll work/be fun or not but it's worth a try. Something similar on the NES board did quite well for quite a while. I'll number my thoughts (since it's easier than forming a paragraph). No one needs to respond to these I'm just throwing them out. The best way to find out if something works or not is by doing.
1. When I start playing a game and like it I don't stop until I'm done. Playing to town A and stopping might be difficult.
2. We've all played most American SNES RPG's I assume. That only leaves translated and untranslated japanese rom's if we stick just to snes. Which leads to...
3. ROM's suck and my comp is a POS. I'll probably sit out any game that I can't play on my console.
4. If we include other systems everyone having the game is a problem.
But let's try it out and see how it works.
As for game suggestions I'll say Lord of the Rings or Super Ninja Boy.
I was so excited when I found out LotR was coming out for my SNES. I'd played LotR games on my commodore 64 (and they sucked) but I always believed it could make a good game. Turns out it stinks on snes to :/ but wouldn't you like to be able to say you've conquered it??? AND with it's on-line capabilities (translation - password system) we can play each others games.
Super Ninja Boy is another password RPG *cough BLEH!* I heard about it in a post here last spring. Picked up a copy enjoyed it but the password system kept me from ever getting very deep into it.
Yeah... that whole responsibility thing sucks. My wife is hot, though. That's a plus.
My porn responsibility takes up a lot of my time. The stuff doesn't watch itself ya' know :p
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/21/2003 5:41:14 AM | Message Detail
Sure, I'm in on Holy Umbrella. Just hope my mom won't glue me to the bed once she gets to my place on the 24th (And why would she do that? Remember my surgery?).
Btw, for the next game once everyone finished HU, why not try a strategy rpg? The scenario system would be good for each of us to keep up since most strategy rpgs are quite linear and you don't have to go to certain places in order to advance. It advances for you once you beat the scenario.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/21/2003 9:06:20 AM | Message Detail I think that we should do a rotation for the game or a vote. That way there is no bickering about what game we are playing. So far the games that have been suggested are:
Holy Umbrella
Lord of the Rings
Super Ninja Boy
Y's III (I just threw that in there)
Or someone can start and pick a game and next time it is someone else's turn. Maybe in turn that we agreed to do this? I don't know. More suggestions?
BTW, MD, I saw you tried to IM me, but I didn't get a message.
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From: Z3RO SoE | Posted: 12/21/2003 9:51:45 AM | Message Detail
Ah, well... My suggestion would be King Arthur and the Knights of Justice.
The game is not so good, but the fight scenes are cool. The sound FX sounds good, and so does the music sometimes, but the plot sux. I don't really recommend this game, but it's a kinda interesting title.
It's a game that can entertain you for a week or two, but it'll get boring fast...
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/21/2003 10:43:40 AM | Message Detail
I'm up for it. School is out and I'm jobless until after the first of the year when my mom makes me get a job so... I'd have to do a ROM, but that will be hard because my computer enjoys crashing. It'll be interesting to see if my comp could pull it off. It would probably be best for a mainstream RPG, but getting it would be hard as I'm poor and my town doesn't have anything. So, in a nutshell I in, if my comp can handle it. Stupid hacked POS.
Patrick: I got that same message for saying Hitler's political party in a historical setting. Someone asked about them and I gave him the information (I'm a WW2 historical buff). There are certain words that just get flagged for some stupid reason.
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Comparing
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You may go ahead and make this post, but it will be automatically flagged for review by a moderator.
Wow! I'm absolutly stunned. I try to not get that message and what happens, I still manage to get it. Wow!
From: Fleck | Posted: 12/21/2003 11:24:11 AM | Message Detail
Alright, so far here's who's in:
Fleck
PatrickPS2
Teath
Math Deity
TechMaster
Z3RO SoE
Delin
We can decide the game and all the logistics tonight or tomorrow. Let's see who else wants to join in.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/21/2003 12:27:35 PM | Message Detail
my vote is for Lord of the Rings. i've always wanted to play that through, since the book is awesome. i've just never had the patience, as you're right it wasn't the best game ever. but i think if we're all discussing it and whatnot, it will make the game more fun. plus the password thing is good.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/21/2003 1:18:10 PM | Message Detail
The only RPG that I haven't played yet and can play, I have other's with dead batteries, is Breath of Fire. But, I'm sure I can get a ROM for just about any game chosen. So...Whatever the group chooses is fine with me.
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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 12/21/2003 5:20:45 PM | Message Detail
Heh. Haven't posted in a while.
Don't think I have time to squeeze in another game. I mean, still have to beat Planescape Torment, Fallout 1 and 2, Fire Emblem (7, for GBA), Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, Metal Walker, Dragon Warrior (had it for nearly 10 years, and I never got around to beating it!), Dragon Warrior 3, Crystalis, Battle of Olympus, Guardian Legend, Faxanadu, both Startropics, Shining Force 2, Phantasy Star 3, Phantasy Star 4, Final Fantasy Mystic Quest, Soulblazer, Terranigma, Tales of Phantasia, Star Ocean, Romancing SaGa 3, Bahamut's Lagoon, Cyber Knight, Front Mission, Live a Live, Ogre Battle, Secret of Mana, Seiken Densetsu 3, Treasure Hunter G, Rudora no Hihou, Wild Arms 2, Valkyrie Profile, 6 stories of SaGa Frontier, 6 stories of Unlimited SaGa, Legaia 2, Wild Arms 3, Disgaea, Makaitoushi SaGa remake, 2 or 3 of the Megami Tensei Last Bible games, the GG Shining Force, and a couple of anime based RPGs...
And that's not counting non-RPG or adventure games. >_<
I've decided to get some non-RPGs to blow off some steam... Like Soul Calibur 2, Viewtiful Joe, and some NES shoot-em-ups like Gradius, Stinger, and Star Soldier.
Right now, I'm focusing on Tales of Phantasia, Phantasy Star 3 and 4, Torment, Disgaea, and Wild Arms 2. Because I'm through a good chunk of each of those games, and like ToP and PS4.
I did get that Ys3 for Genesis that I saw (along with a 6-button Genesis joystick and about bunch of NES games), but I still don't have a Genesis. And if I did, I'd probably end up playing Shadowrun nonstop because I've been wanting to play it since I played the SNES version.
I think I'm still fairly early in Tales of Phantasia, Secret of Mana, and Seiken Densetsu 3. So unless it's one of those, I probably can't do it.
I think I'll sign off to play some more ToP...
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From: Teath | Posted: 12/21/2003 5:55:54 PM | Message Detail
Yay, I have messages to use again!
When I start playing a game and like it I don't stop until I'm done. Playing to town A and stopping might be difficult
Set fire to a loaf of bread. I find that a good fire can get me off my ass and away from the computer.
2.
We've all played most American SNES RPG's I assume. That only leaves translated
and untranslated japanese rom's if we stick just to snes. Which leads to...
3. ROM's suck and my comp is a POS. I'll probably sit out any game that I can't play on my console.
I've played a lot of translations as well, so I could probably be playing through a second time. As long as the game is fun, I have no problem with a second play through.
4. If we include other systems everyone having the game is a problem.
We could stick to snes; or snes, genesis and nes.
My porn responsibility takes up a lot of my time. The stuff doesn't watch itself ya' know :p
I have porn downloading right now.
I think that we should do a rotation for the game or a vote. That way there is no bickering about what game we are playing.
After playing for a while, I've found that the name is my favorite part.
Comparing anyone to Hitler shows that not only have you absolutely no grasp of history,
Hah! That's funny. Can I compare Stalin to Hitler? Would I get modded for flaming Stalin?
Stalin is a douchebag.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/21/2003 6:14:48 PM | Message Detail
Honestly, I don't care what game we play.
Did I already say that?
*checks to see if he already said that*
Basically I did.
Oh well.
I can compare Stalin and Hitler too; like this. Stalin killed over 20 million people. Hitler only killed over 6 million. Stalin wins!
I bet you I'll get that message again.
Heh. I only get it for Hitler and not Stalin. Odd I'd think that the bigger murderer would be the one to get flagged.
*shrugs*
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/21/2003 8:16:04 PM | Message Detail
My vote would go towards either YS3 or Holy Umbrella. I hated the experience when I tried LotR...
Of course, if you guys really want me to include a no faq/non-translated game (which I guess everyone's gonna use roms) would be Moryou Senki Madara 2 or Solid Runner.
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From: Teath | Posted: 12/21/2003 8:41:36 PM | Message Detail
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From: Teath | Posted: 12/21/2003 9:23:02 PM | Message Detail
EDIT:
We either need a faq, or someone very familiar with the game, otherwise we can't set "pit stops".
For the next few days, I probably won't be posting until later in the day. Not only must I go to five or so christmas parties with my parents, where I'll be the only person under 50, one of my dogs has to go in for some basic surgery. I'll have to completely spoil him for a while.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/21/2003 10:09:16 PM | Message Detail
OK, I can see this might get out of hand. So, here is what we are going to do. Using the list (in order of when we said AYE) that was posted earlier (here, I'll do it again):
Fleck
PatrickPS2
Teath
Math Deity
TechMaster
Z3RO SoE
Delin
We will each go in turn and pick a game and play through it. I'll pick first since I started this (Na, Na, Na Na, Na) (J/K), and go with Y's III. I have very little experience with that game and I want to start with a game that we should all have access to. I'll pull up a FAQ tomorrow and set all the parameters and once we all post that it is cool, we will venture into the world of Y's. Is everyone cool with that?
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From: Teath | Posted: 12/22/2003 12:25:38 AM | Message Detail
I have to go download the rom, but It's fine with me. I've never played much of the game either, so it will be new to me as well.
Damn message limit. I've got 3 left.
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/22/2003 4:26:44 AM | Message Detail
Fine by me. I don't think I ever beat YS3 though I think I got to the last boss (same for Lagoon actually).
<spoiler... maybe kinda sorta>
If I recall there are so many very easy ways to max-level your character very early in the game. I'd avoid that if you want any sort of early challenge
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Duals Hearts is an action/adventure kinda like zelda crossed with alundra. It's not as good as either but still quite nine imo. Unfortunately he main world is fairly small as are each of the dream worlds. It's not rare by any means but Atlus published it so it's probably not common either. No one heard about it because it came out at the same time as Kingdom Hearts. I got my copy a couple months ago for $11 + $4 shipping from ebay.
The best part of the game is that your companion is a flying guinnea pig (Baku actually) who you can ride on.
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From: flibbetygibbet | Posted: 12/22/2003 7:08:40 AM | Message Detail
Hmmm. Would I be ignored if I said Earthbound is a better RPG than Chrono Trigger?
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/22/2003 7:12:08 AM | Message Detail
Why would you be ignored? There are plenty of people who share that same opinion. I have unfortunately fallen prey to internet fraud and have not received the copy of Earthbound that I purchased a couple of weeks ago, so I can't tell you what my opinion is on the matter. (It's actually the second time this has happened to me.) Anyway, I'm sure you will find people in here that would both agree and argue that statement with you. Until I play the game, I can do neither.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/22/2003 7:15:15 AM | Message Detail
Okay, YS3 it is. Hehe, time for some major lvling to do XD. Mhahahahaa...
I beat it on the Genesis. I guess I'll do it again on the SNES then. See if there's any changes.
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/22/2003 7:25:03 AM | Message Detail
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/22/2003 11:05:01 AM | Message Detail
YS3 is fine. I'll go get it now.
I liked Earthbound it was fun. There were a couple of spots that I wanted to throw the cart across the room. I got just a few small issues with the game, but still a fun game that kept me interested until the end.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/22/2003 11:21:27 AM | Message Detail
OK, let's use this FAQ by D-Boy:
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/snes/file/ys_iii_b.txt
I'll set a new stopping point every week on Monday (unless we all cruise through it, then we can set a new point on the FAQ before Monday). Let's start slow and get through the third chapter in the FAQ entitled "VI - 3: The Return to Redmont." Feel free to post on what you think of the game between now and then, what difficulties you might be having, what you see as good and/or bad about the game, etc. Please don't post any spoilers until after we have all stated that we have reached the "check point." After that feel free. Alright, let's do it!! I'll probably start a little on it tonight, so I'll post my thoughts later.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/22/2003 11:43:46 AM | Message Detail
Errr....hehehe... I think I overdid it a bit...
Spoilers Below
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Current Status: Second visit to Tigray Quarry;... -.-'''
Current LV: Max
Current Equipment: Broad Sword, Banded Armor, Banded Shield
Estimated Play Time: 3-4 hours
Comments up to Revisit the town for the first time:
Trained to about lv10 and got broad sword in order to kill the boss... Personally, the game's unbalanced. You either need to have a good amount of skill (which I personally think I don't have) in order to beat the bosses without having to lvl a lot. This is because even with the shield ring my defence is still rather weak against those lightning strikes. (that's the reason I got the broad sword to jack up my attack and is able to kill the boss before it kills me) Some people might ignore the shield ring but it's better to get it before the faq suggests you to because if you got the attack power you'd want a good defence power too, and the shield ring would work better than the power ring if you can already chop the boss up in a few slashes. (just incase you might die if you use the power ring)
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/22/2003 1:30:49 PM | Message Detail
whoa you guys have already picked a game and started on it. sheesh, i'm behind. ok then. i'ma get started pretty soon. with my schedule, i'll probably be the straggler of the group, so i hope you guys can put up with me. :P
and no you wouldn't be ignored for saying Earthbound is better than Chrono Trigger. you'll be disagreed with, though. :P i hate Earthbound. never did like it, like everyone else does. your opinion is cool, though. i'd like to hear WHY you think it's better than Chrono Trigger. that would make for good discussion.
i think it just depends on the order you played the games. i played Chrono Trigger, Breath of Fires, and Final Fantasies all before i ever played more... upbeat, positive games like Earthbound and Pokemon. those more serious games were the first i ever played, so they set my tone for games to come. maybe i'm wrong, though.
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From: sippinCognacMan | Posted: 12/22/2003 2:01:42 PM | Message Detail
Best RPG EVAR on SNES
I would have to say my favorite therefore the best EVAR because it's my freakin world joo know would be The Breath of Fire series first one being the best EVAR! LOVED that game man like wow!
From: Fleck | Posted: 12/22/2003 2:11:44 PM | Message Detail
BoF was a good game. Best EVAR as you put it, I disagree. But, I will agree that the first one was the better of the two for SNES. I thought that BoF II left a lot to be desired.
Good Lord, Tech. Are you going to be bored when the rest of us are trying to catch up to you?
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/22/2003 2:54:25 PM | Message Detail
No. I'm tring to earn cash in Madara 2 so I can buy a 30k weapon and a 38k armor for two characters with monsters giving me 250-400 bucks per battle. At worst that'll be about 544 battles. It'll keep me busy for a while.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/22/2003 4:43:03 PM | Message Detail
I just beat Lagoon. I should have done it last night, but I didn't have time. Anyway, it is a good game that probably doesn't deserve all the bad pub that it gets. It isn't a great game by any means, but it was fun and part of the end boss fight was pretty damn hard. All in all, I would give the game a 6.5/10. Not horrible, but I probably won't play it again.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/22/2003 6:40:55 PM | Message Detail
OK, let's use this FAQ by D-Boy:
Sigh... Emerald Dragon...
Current LV: Max
Jesus, what the hell is the max level?
i'll probably be the straggler of the group, so i hope you guys can put up with me
I don't even have the rom yet. I just got back from the vet.
and no you wouldn't be ignored for saying Earthbound is better than Chrono Trigger. you'll be disagreed with, though.
Then I must disagree with you.
i'd like to hear WHY you think it's better than Chrono Trigger. that would make for good discussion.
It doesn't have Magus. Magus = sword wielding, evil, badass, takes no crap from anyone character. With that in the game, I have to listen to crap about it from the fanboy population.
But, I will agree that the first one was the better of the two for SNES
BLASPHEMY!
At worst that'll be about 544 battles
Jesus! Look what you did! I said Jesus twice in a single post! Three times!
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/22/2003 7:37:51 PM | Message Detail
Oh, alright. Now I remember why I didn't finish it the first time through. I suck at it.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/23/2003 5:04:19 AM | Message Detail
^ Same here.
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/23/2003 5:42:04 AM | Message Detail
Perhaps maxing your level is a good idea... I keep raising mine in hopes of making it deeper in the mine >_<
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/23/2003 6:18:53 AM | Message Detail
Spoiler...
Max lv is 16, which isn't "that hard" to obtain if you know how to train. You should have enough lv for the mine if you aim for the chain mail and the broad sword. (while you're making the cash, you should get enough lvls to beat that boss good) I trained at one spot where the enemy will just keep coming and crash into my sword and kill himself. (one of those blue guys that gives around 10 exp and approx the same amount of cash). I then tried to obtain the banded armor and shield for the second dungeon (the ruins) and I just trained at the entrance of the ruins so I can just leave and recover. How I train at the ruins? I hold the attack button and keep jumping around and killing the monsters. Since they reappear rather quickly, I can easily go back and forth for some time.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/23/2003 6:34:49 AM | Message Detail
OK, this is hilarious. I was playing the game last night and was going to try the leveling trick that the guy suggested. I walked over, found a place where those damn bats just kept coming, put a book on the controller button and left to go watch a show. The next thing I know it is morning, I had let it go all night. I woke up with 35000 exp, 52000 gold, level 15, and I haven't even really started the game yet. I haven't decided if I want to play through like this or not yet, but if the bosses are as hard as you guys say they are... maybe.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/23/2003 6:49:24 AM | Message Detail
I think D-boy id insane if he thinks you can beat that boss at lvl 5. I couldn't even survive at lvl 5. Now I've been lvling up like crazy. I set up the controls on the emulator for the joystick trigger, taped it down, and walked away. I had breakfast, shower and listened to a CD before I remembered about it and I'm only at lvl 9. I think that when I play again later today I'll go back in to the mines and do it again. It's not quite as funny as Fleck's story though.
BTW I've got the key and I was going to see just how hard the boss really was when to my surprise I found that I don't know how to use the key. Tech you're way ahead. How do you open that blasted door?
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/23/2003 6:57:15 AM | Message Detail
Delin, that's the wrong door. Go right from where you are, and keep going up those stairs but stay on the right instead of going left which leaves the mine.
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/23/2003 7:00:26 AM | Message Detail
Does this game remind anyone else of a shooter; where the enemies come across the screen super fast and you just wish you had bullets?
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/23/2003 7:04:52 AM | Message Detail
Well, Delin, the boss difficulty really depends on the person. Despite that this "D-Boy" isn't the D-Boy I was thinking, it is still true that there's some crazy platformers out there. If someone can go through Ninja Gaiden untouched except for that big head of the last boss crashing towards the player where the player can't jump high enough (which means you must take that hit no matter what) then there's people who can beat that boss at lv5...
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/23/2003 7:12:33 AM | Message Detail
They fly, too, don't they. When I first walked into the mine, I was like "Oh, ****!!" I only had 3 HP left. It's interesting to me, too, that you can just hold the button down the whole way through and your sword will just SWING!!
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/23/2003 10:03:08 AM | Message Detail
damn... i haven't even started on the game yet. ok, right now i'm starting! nothing will hold me back. :P
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/23/2003 1:35:25 PM | Message Detail
Has anyone ever played Y's IV or V? Are they similar to III?
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/23/2003 2:49:15 PM | Message Detail
Don't have enough time to play anymore tonight. My mom wants a fire, and it just rained, and the wood was outside, and...
*sigh*
Oh well at least I've finally got my collection up. IGN really needs to streamline their system.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/23/2003 4:12:19 PM | Message Detail
OK, I have reached the stopping point. Who else is there, too?
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/23/2003 4:21:33 PM | Message Detail
i'm there... probably only took me half an hour or so of actual play time. the game's kinda fun, but nothing great so far. the characters are so horribly developed... they all speak without any emotion or anything. :P but it's fun so far.
the bosses were ridiculous hard. i went through once without leveling, i was at like level 5, BARELY beat that first mini-boss guy, then fought the last boss, and that wasn't happening. so i cheated and leveled like yall did. :P that way i could just stand there and take hits while i killed them. :P i suppose that was cheap, but oh well.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/23/2003 5:17:00 PM | Message Detail
I actually have fears of any of us actually finishing the game. I think the Genesis version was a tad easier... I don't think the monsters had that much attack power in the genesis... (I did beat the genesis version, and I don't remember it's THAT hard, not this ridiculous)
Oh well. Btw, I've played both Ys IV and Ys V, beating V. IV stayed to the original and have Adol bumping into monsters to attack (although I think it was more balanced than III, the monsters that is). V used the same bird eye view as IV, but in V you can swing your sword like III.
Spoiler: Different swords in V have different swing patterns, sometimes strong swords have limitted range while weaker swords cover a greater area.
I liked V's battle system, although the only review it was given compared it to zelda. (note: the original Ys is birds eye view, it didn't copy zelda) Bumping into the enemies is just....too risky in my sense. You don't know if it'll actualy damage the enemy or not, especially during boss fights where bumping into bosses can be rather....dangerous...
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From: Teath | Posted: 12/23/2003 6:08:44 PM | Message Detail
Max lv is 16, which isn't "that hard" to obtain if you know how to train.
I hit 12 before the gargoyle like boss at the end. I went into the third area, with the green things, and a few blue ogres, and stood where an ogre ran onto the screen. I held down attack and fast forward for about 10 minutes, and was 12.
Despite that this "D-Boy" isn't the D-Boy I was thinking
I was thinking of someone else as well...
I finished this morning too. The mini boss was a wimp, I finished him at level 3, but that second guy toasted me so many times with that damn lightning attack. I was getting so pissed.
What the hell does the mirror do? I used it, and nothing happened. The amulet was nice for the mini boss, but the mirror had no visible effect.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/23/2003 6:52:03 PM | Message Detail
It's suppose to freeze the enemy. It's stated near the end of the whole walkthrough/faq so if you don't peek back there you won't be able to see it.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/23/2003 8:30:03 PM | Message Detail
OK, since we have all reached the stopping point, let's venture a little bit further. We shall meet in Redmont again... VI - 6. I actually like this game a lot more than I thought I would at this point, but, DAMN are the bosses hard. I don't even want to think about how hard the final boss will be.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/23/2003 8:50:54 PM | Message Detail
is it just us four playing? i thought Delin was in, too.
also... do you think this whole thing deserves its own topic? i was reading these posts and it kinda seems like we've made a sort of exclusive club type thing... maybe that's what it looks like to non-regular posters, anyway. plus this whole thing is semi-off topic....
at least that's what it seems to me.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/23/2003 8:54:52 PM | Message Detail
I actually like this game a lot more than I thought I would at this point,
Me too.
but, DAMN are the bosses hard. I don't even want to think about how hard the final boss will be.
As long as I don't have to fight something with that damn lightning attack again, I should be fine.
Side Note: I already know what game I'm going to choose when it gets to me,(that's if anyone is even still interested) but in case a certain something doesn't happen by the time my name comes up, could I be postponed until a later date?
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/23/2003 9:08:07 PM | Message Detail
Oh, my bad, I took it that Delin was done. I actually already finished the next part, so I won't spoil anything.
Patrick: That's fine with me. Let's wait until this game is over with and we can talk about what to call it and all the logistics.
Cam: I am having fun with this. I hope it doesn't end that fast. Is your game one that I have or will this be a ROM?
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/23/2003 9:10:49 PM | Message Detail
There's actually 6 of us playing (7 if you count Z3RO SoE). Where are you Z3RO?
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/23/2003 9:36:57 PM | Message Detail
Cam: I am having fun with this. I hope it doesn't end that fast. Is your game one that I have or will this be a ROM?
As I am.
Most likely rom. I was going to suggest Star Ocean for my game, but I'd like to wait until dejap releases their translation. It's supposed to come out by the end of the year, but it will likely be another month or two.
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/24/2003 2:17:06 AM | Message Detail
...apparently my battery is dead... grr
I'll try to pick up another copy tomorrow. I think it only costs a few bucks at Gamecrazy.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/24/2003 7:03:03 AM | Message Detail
You guys go on ahead. I'm not going to be able to put much time in until after this weekend. I'll tell you when I reach chapter 3.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/24/2003 7:08:30 AM | Message Detail
Yup, that's about where I am when I stopped. I'll just go wack a few more guys in other games to make cash ^^.
Spoiler...
Btw, if it does get to me, I'm picking Solid Runner. (however, due to some....recent incidents.... I won't be playing anything other than Ys3... since i won't be able to play much of other games as well) Why Solid Runner despite there's no translation nor walkthrough? It's set in a city, which is divided into zones. These zones are limitted space, and during dialogs there will be clues talking about going to different zones. During a mission, you'll be able to access places other than the standard zones, so it's not difficult to advance in the game. Yes, I beat the game once already, so if you guys do try it, you can always ask hints and advices from me. (although they might be a bit vague since I don't remember everything and I'm actually thinking there might be an alternative ending...)
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/24/2003 7:16:55 AM | Message Detail
I decided it would be to much trouble finding another copy of ys3 on new year's eve so I'm just beating it in one sitting. I'm currently in area 11 according to d-boy's faq. Levels maxed, banded sword, armor, and shield. Tons of money to spare.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/24/2003 9:00:23 AM | Message Detail
Just got Ch 3. I'm going on to the next checkpoint.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/24/2003 9:06:18 AM | Message Detail
Nevermind I clicked on the wrong thing and saved over my game it put me back a bunch. I start back up again in a few hours I too ticked to play.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/24/2003 9:36:43 AM | Message Detail
That sucks, Delin!!! We'll wait... No hurry.
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/24/2003 9:37:28 AM | Message Detail
Nevermind I clicked on the wrong thing and saved over my game it put me back a bunch. I start back up again in a few hours I too ticked to play.
If I'm reading that right it's the 2nd biggest reason I don't play roms. The save states record the save files and you can very easily lose your saves.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/24/2003 10:04:21 AM | Message Detail
Spoiler
Delin, if you don't mind, I can send you my save which is Adol coming back to the town the second time and is about to go to the mine again, which if I recall is the current stopping point. If you want to, I can just put it on my webspace and provide a link.
However, just to be sure is it allowed to do that? I'm not providing roms, just a little save file. Just asking you guys to make sure before I do it.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/24/2003 10:18:40 AM | Message Detail
It will literally take you an hour to get from where you are through the lava pit.
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Mr Crispy | Posted: 12/24/2003
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I finally got a Genesis today. So I can play my copy of the Genesis version. I may be able to participate a bit too, but I'm already really far behind.
All I did today was sit through the opening and buy some equipment. :/
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/24/2003 9:10:04 PM | Message Detail
I'm in the final dungeon. Must finish it soon... my snes has been on for 18 hours.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/24/2003 9:20:41 PM | Message Detail
Mr. Crispy, don't worry about it. We'll wait. I have played the game maybe 2 and a half hours tops. I bet you guys can catch up this weekend. I don't foresee any of us playing much tomorrow and I have to work on Friday, so just play what you can and we'll go from there.
Math Deity, have you beaten it yet?
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From: Teath | Posted: 12/24/2003 9:26:04 PM | Message Detail
If I'm reading that right it's the 2nd biggest reason I don't play roms. The save states record the save files and you can very easily lose your saves
I save in multiple slots, so even when I screw up I'm safe.
However, just to be sure is it allowed to do that? I'm not providing roms, just a little save file. Just asking you guys to make sure before I do it.
Gamefaqs used to allow you to upload save states to the game page, but I'm not sure about saves from a rom image.
It's not illegal in the least to give a link to a save state. On it's own, it's a random pile of data. Unless you use it with a game, it's not owned.
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/25/2003 2:47:56 AM | Message Detail
Math Deity, have you beaten it yet?
Muargh! The final boss is pissing me off! I've been fighting him for the last couple hours. It's so hard to hit him without touching him (just like all the bosses). I don't know if the hit detection is poor in this game or if I just suck >_<
Ah well, I will beat him! My snes has been on a little over 24 hours.
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/25/2003 2:53:26 AM | Message Detail
<spoilers>
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There are 2 bosses in the final dungeon. If you beat the first one and go back to town to heal up he reappears. So I've been killing monsters one at a time to refill my ring. I've killed 150 so far and still need 68 more to completely charge my ring. Hopefully that gives me enough extra life (via the healing ring) to beat this blob.
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I've beaten Inindo, I can beat this.
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/25/2003 5:30:15 AM | Message Detail
I suck at video games.
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/25/2003 6:02:59 AM | Message Detail BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Beat it! The last boss takes a good bit of practice imo. Ask me if you need tips on beating him.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/25/2003 8:02:07 AM | Message Detail
Yea1 I've caught up. I'm not making that mistake again. Everytime I save I'm going to save in all the slots. Are we going on or not?
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/25/2003 8:37:12 AM | Message Detail
Delin's current status - Level 12 ,Broad sword, chain mail, wood shiels (saving for banded shield). The challenge curve on this game is increadible. The enemies from one area to the next get much harder. I find that the game is a lot of fun...as long as I'm not leveling which can be rather boring. I've got to stay on the computer, or my sister will get on and you can't do anything else while the game is running.
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/25/2003 8:49:35 AM | Message Detail
Hey Delin I maxed my levels and got all the money I needed in the Ilvern Ruins (the second level). Just go a little way in to where the birds swoop down at you and hold the attack button. I think I was about at level 12 when I got there. They did 1 point of damage to me every second or two but I was gaining 120 exp per for every health point I lost. When your energy runs low use your herb, and when that runs low head back to town to buy another. I was picking up 3-5 thousand exp per trip.
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From: Teath | Posted: 12/25/2003 11:51:01 AM | Message Detail
Hey Delin I maxed my levels and got all the money I needed in the Ilvern Ruins (the second level).
That's exactly what I did. Except I used Zsnes' fast forward button. Nothing like gaining 10000 exp in 30 seconds.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/25/2003 12:25:48 PM | Message Detail
Well, my parents are here so I can't participate anymore actual playing wise. However, I did go ahead a bit but somehow I just suck at the castle, making me can't go on even if I want to go ahead.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/25/2003 12:35:00 PM | Message Detail
Latest. Haven't even tried the 2nd set of bosses yet, I will in a few minuets, but I just maxed my level and got banded everything. I just found the greatest leveling spot. Once you go outside of the ruins and all those owls are attacking they each have only 10 exp, but with all of them attacking at once I got to max level in a very short time.
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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 12/25/2003 3:21:58 PM | Message Detail
>_<
I've spent some time playing, and it was harder than I thought it would be. I haven't even made it past the second screen/area of the mine, so I had to level up a bit. Might try again tomorrow since I can now take a hit from the goblin-y creatures and live.
It wouldn't be so bad if there was about a second of "grace period" after you got hit. I died many times from those spiders or goblins because I got hit multiple times before I could react and back away.
Other than that, it's alright.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/25/2003 6:38:04 PM | Message Detail
I'm not currently playing, because I'm in the middle screaming at the top of my lungs about Christmas. This year I'm pissed.
I haven't played since maxing my character. I'll probably play a little more tomorrow.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/25/2003 7:53:44 PM | Message Detail
What was so bad?
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/25/2003 10:17:52 PM | Message Detail
I got pretty much everything I wanted.
Including a Rubiks Cube.
That thing has ruined my day. Simplicity should not torment me so. I'll finish a third side, only to notice I completely messed the other two up in the process. Of course, I can't remember what I did, and reversing it would be impossible. Bah!
*throws Rubiks Cube
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/26/2003 1:11:53 AM | Message Detail
I learned how to solve one with a book. Here's a link that seems to outline the process.
http://www.olympus.net/personal/prmhem/default.htm
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/26/2003 4:25:53 AM | Message Detail
Nice Camden Nice.
I've got friends who could solve it for you. I certainly couldn't. I got bored a few weeks ago and found that someone was able to solve one in under 23 seconds.
On Topic: Yesterday I got back to playing and beat the fire dragon and the flying dragon thing. I'm about to go to the mines again as soon as you guys say your ready. Once you hit max level the game flies by.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/26/2003 7:56:26 AM | Message Detail
Off-topic: Camden, that's better than the stuffed lion I got from my sis' former highschool classmates and a card wishing my recovery goes well. (and yeah, I got nothing else this Christmas unless you want to count the surgical wound the doc gave me)
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/26/2003 12:21:12 PM | Message Detail
The only other thing I got for Christmas worth mentioning was the Family Guy DVD sets.
The cube came with a little book, which gave you detailed instructions on how to solve it.
I'm stuck on step three. The steps need individual steps.
And you won't have to worry about bumping me back in the list. Reliable sources say that the Star Ocean translation will be released sometime this week. It probably won't be polished, but it should work.
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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 12/26/2003 1:04:13 PM | Message Detail
I got one of those crazy ass Rubiks Cube with both orthogonal and diagonal slices when I was a kid. But I started twisting it around before reading the instructions and thus wasn't able to ever solve it.
I tried playing Star Ocean earlier with the partial translation, but I never got past the trial cave in the basement of that castle. I got to the boss there, but the graphics started screwing up or the game froze up. It would be nice to play a finished translation, especially if it didn't have the screwed up item names in menus.
I did manage to get through a little more of Ys 3, and I managed to get the Power and Shield Rings, the Long Sword, Chain Mail, and the first Statue from the boss in the mine. Beating the boss gave me enough experience to put me at level 4. It's starting to feel a bit easier, but I'm dreading the next dungeon.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/26/2003 5:20:35 PM | Message Detail
hmm... i haven't played much Ys3 lately. i got FFX2, Xenosaga, and Kingdom Hearts for Christmas... they're very distracting. :P but i think if we keep going slowly i'll be able to keep up. i'll probably catch up tomorrow.
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From: Teath | Posted: 12/26/2003 8:26:28 PM | Message Detail
Patty: After you've played for a while, would you tell me how Final Fantasy 10-2 stacks up against its prequel? I didn't care much for the first one, but my friends say that it's better.
I'm maxed level, and I still can't afford the EXP doubling item. This is sad.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/26/2003 8:39:20 PM | Message Detail
I'm in the same boat, man. I have around $30,000.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/26/2003 9:17:36 PM | Message Detail
Cammy: please refrain from calling me feminine versions of my name.
ffx2, according to its reviews, blows. but i'm a huge fan of the Final Fantasy series, so i have to give it a shot. i'm not too keen on the idea of a sequel, but the first one was really good in my opinion, so this one can't be TOO bad.
i'm max level on Ys3 as well. i just need to catch up in the story... i'll probably start that now.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/26/2003 9:20:39 PM | Message Detail
i just read that last post, and it might come across as a-hole-ish... i didn't mean it that way, i meant it jokingly. i've had 1 too many beers tonight. forgive me.
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/26/2003 9:27:49 PM | Message Detail
... as long as no one starts calling me Mathy :p
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/26/2003 9:36:48 PM | Message Detail
I'm sure you can imagine all the names I had to put up with all my life.
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From: Teath | Posted: 12/26/2003 10:34:42 PM | Message Detail
Cammy: please refrain from calling me feminine versions of my name.
Patricia: At least Cammy is a street fighter chick. I can't count the times I was called Brianne in grade school.
Mathy is, well, I don't know. It doesn't make much sense. Actually, I kind of like it.
Fleck: I don't know what the hell your name actually is, unless it's Fleck. That would suck.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/27/2003 9:37:23 AM | Message Detail
That's my last name.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/27/2003 10:51:47 AM | Message Detail
hmm you know i'm not a fan of being called female names, please stop.
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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 12/27/2003 10:58:54 AM | Message Detail
I'm pretty far along in Ys now... I'm at the max level (12 in the Genesis version), at Valestine Castle, and I've saved all the prisoners, got the Red and Blue Bracelets, the Flame Sword, Battle Armor, and Battle Shield. Just need to find the boss, now.
It's a lot easier than my first impression after 5 minutes of play...
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11:11:02 AM | Message Detail
i have a semi-off topic question real quick. i have the japanese Star Ocean rom. i have the latest patch from DeJap. i have the SNEStool or whatever. but for some reason, the rom won't work in zSNES or SNES9x. it just has big blocks where words should be on the title screen. anyone know what my problem is? do i have a bad rom, or what?
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/27/2003 12:29:37 PM | Message Detail
If you mean the graphic packs, the latest one don't require any outside program to patch itself via zsnes. You have to name the folder SOCNSDD1 and put the newest graphic packs into that folder.
I came up with that conclusion because from what's on Dejap's front page their patch hasn't been released yet, so you can't be talking about the translation patch.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/27/2003 12:31:58 PM | Message Detail
Oops, forgot to mention that the folder is placed with the rom, not the rom in the folder.
Basically, in your rom folder, include the SO rom as well as that folder mentioned above with the graphic pack.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/27/2003 1:06:18 PM | Message Detail
so inside my rom folder i have: Star Ocean rom and a folder named SOCNSDD1. inside the SOCNSDD1 folder i have the patch?
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/27/2003 1:26:36 PM | Message Detail
oh ok bleh. i misread the text files that came with the downloads. sorry for the offtopic question. i got the graphics pack working, now i just need the translation patch. *sigh*
well... DeJap has 3 and a half days until their self-imposed deadline. :) i can wait that long. :)
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From: Teath | Posted: 12/27/2003 2:35:37 PM | Message Detail
That's my last name.
At least your last name doesn't rhyme with "black whore"
hmm you know i'm not a fan of being called female names, please stop.
What would you like me to call you? I'm not about to use your actual user name!
well... DeJap has 3 and a half days until their self-imposed deadline. :) i can wait that long. :)
RPGCidolfas, who is in contact with dejap, says that the patch will be released in the next few days. You might want to wait a little longer anyways, because this is the game I'm choosing for my game club thing. You wouldn't want to have to play it twice in a row, would you?
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/27/2003 2:46:54 PM | Message Detail
hrm... my user name is quite enigmatic, i can see why you don't know what to call me. :P just call me Patrick. that'll work. :P
i can wait for your turn, provided that it is next. :P i vote for Teath to be next! :P
and by the way, these bosses in Ys3... they suck. massive tough, they are. thank goodness for save states and the rewind button. :P
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/27/2003 2:48:36 PM | Message Detail
heh. also, i'm quite curious to hear what name rhymes with 'black whore.'
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/27/2003 2:58:39 PM | Message Detail
Patrick: Yes, those bosses are a pain. The next person on the list isn't me.
It's you.
*dun, dun, dunnnn...*
My last name is Blackmore. It's so ripe with insult juices that it's about to burst.
Two of the Gamefaqs misspelled suggestions for my last name are Backdoor and Backhoe...
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/27/2003 3:29:09 PM | Message Detail
lol nice. but believe me, your name is better than mine. way better. :P
i'm next on the list huh? :P yay! where is this list, anyway? i must have missed the post.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/27/2003 4:11:26 PM | Message Detail
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Fleck | Posted: 12/21/2003 10:09:16 PM | Message Detail
OK,
I can see this might get out of hand. So, here is what we are going to do.
Using the list (in order of when we said AYE) that was posted earlier (here,
I'll do it again):
Fleck
PatrickPS2
Teath
Math
Deity
TechMaster
Z3RO
SoE
Delin
We will each go in turn and pick a game and play through it. I'll pick first since I started this (Na, Na, Na Na, Na) (J/K), and go with Y's III. I have very little experience with that game and I want to start with a game that we should all have access to. I'll pull up a FAQ tomorrow and set all the parameters and once we all post that it is cool, we will venture into the world of Y's. Is everyone cool with that?
There is your post.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/27/2003 4:35:31 PM | Message Detail
On Ys are we just going straight though now or are we still using the checkpoint system. I don't care which way we go. Right now I've beaten the boss in the mines the second time you go in them.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/27/2003 4:58:33 PM | Message Detail
Delin: I don't even remember what the last checkpoint was. I'm at the same spot as you, just beating the boss in the second mine trip.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/27/2003 5:30:55 PM | Message Detail
It seems that Math Deity, having beat the game due to technical difficulties with his battery, and Mr. Crispy are far ahead of the last checkpoint. I am all for just going ahead and beating the game. The last checkpoint is where you guys are. I am there, too. Whatever is fine with me. I haven't had that hard of a time with the bosses since I got used to the controls.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/27/2003 5:42:34 PM | Message Detail
Well, even if I can play some now, I won't make much progress. Some how I just suck at that castle part and just die off. I guess that's my current limit for the game. (if anyone didn't notice)
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/27/2003 5:55:24 PM | Message Detail
Tech, once we catch up, maybe we can help you out. BTW, aren't you like bed-ridden? I would have thought you of all people would have time to play. What type of surgery did you have, anyway?
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/27/2003 6:38:29 PM | Message Detail
The cart basically has save states. It allows you to save anytime you want aside from in boss rooms. That helps A LOT in the final two levels where you need to save all your power for the boss battles.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/27/2003 7:11:21 PM | Message Detail
I've got some extra time tonight and tomorrow. So, I think I'll just go a head and beat it.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/27/2003 7:15:56 PM | Message Detail
OK, I have gotten through the castle and have only Whatshisface's Island left. The way I did it was:
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I saved every time I entered a new room and lost no to little life. It was hard especially once you get into that damn Clock Tower, but it can be done. Don't fight anyone. Jump over them all. There are some that you can't jump over, but they only take a little life. Once you get to the first boss, just crouch and slash. He'll go down fast. The second boss, that tiger thing, you might have to use your herb (I did), but if you just keep at him and jump over his fire breath, you'll beat him, too. Now when you get to the Clock Tower, just get through saving and jumping over everything you can. I had like 100 life left and used the Healing ring right before the last boss screen. When he comes up, follow the FAQ and get behind him, equip the power ring and kick his ass. You should get half of his HP gone after the initial push. After that just walk around dodging his lightning and bowling ball things until you luck out and get behind him. Equip the Power Ring and finish him off. That's how I got through. It takes a bit of patience, but slow-going will get you there.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/27/2003 7:25:57 PM | Message Detail
Fleck, not all surgeries require five months to heal. I went home on the day of the surgery. The external healed mostly after a week. My total recovery time to normal activity is four weeks, but currently I'm forbidden from lifting heavy objects and heavy activity.
Ok, off with the off-topic stuff.
Well, I hope that save/reload stuff can get my hands to the better armor... Btw, whoever is trying out the genesis version, is the castle enemies killing you extremely easily??? (my apology to whoever it is, memory isn't that great)
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/27/2003 7:38:20 PM | Message Detail
I just got killed four times in a row by the dragon in the mountain. I attack it but every time I do it takes off a quarter of my health and that's with the shield ring. Any help would be much appreciated. I'm going to sleep and trying again tomorrow.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/27/2003 11:19:28 PM | Message Detail
(my apology to whoever it is, memory isn't that great)
Someone is playing the genesis version? When did this happen?
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/28/2003 4:44:22 AM | Message Detail
Mr. Crispy said he was playing the Genesis version.
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/28/2003 4:46:26 AM | Message Detail
I just got killed four times in a row by the dragon in the mountain.
Is that the one under the Illvern Ruins? The lave dragon guy?
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/28/2003 4:49:45 AM | Message Detail
No the on inside the mountain. The one that doesn't move and you've got to hit his head to kill him.
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/28/2003 4:55:57 AM | Message Detail
Sorry I can't really remember. After I beat the lava dragon i was maxed leveled and had the best equipment available at the store. I thrashed every boss till I got to Ballactine Castle. Then things got really hard. I'll try to play through again so I can give actual strategies.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/28/2003 5:04:25 AM | Message Detail
Never mind I just beat him. I had been jumping at him and every time I did that I couldn't help but get hit by him. So, I changed my strategy and finally beat him.
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/28/2003 5:05:31 AM | Message Detail
Heh, nice!
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/28/2003 8:27:52 AM | Message Detail
I think I may try to beat it tonight.
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/28/2003 3:59:18 PM | Message Detail
I think I'm behind everyone now.
*plays a little to catch up
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/28/2003 4:42:37 PM | Message Detail
SPOILERS!!! (not really, though)
And so it is done. Galbalan sucks, man. That was a hard battle (although I should have expected that given the difficulty of the previous boss fights). I pretty much followed the FAQ way of beating him, although I didn't look at it until after I beat him. I used the Protection ring for the fight and that seemed to help immensely. I switched back and forth between that and the Power ring when I knew I was going to get a good hit.
Anyway, Patrick, it is your turn to pick once everyone is finished. We can talk about what to name the new topic also, and when to start it. That way we can get back to regular conversations in here, or at least Vol. 2 of this topic (heh heh).
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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 12/28/2003 4:58:23 PM | Message Detail
...Well, I just finished Ys 3.
I didn't really have too much trouble with the castle. Enemies did a lot of damage to me at first, and I had trouble with the first boss, but then I leveled up from 11 to 12 (max in the Genesis version), and that made things a lot easier. It seems that it's easier to defeat enemies that are on the ground if you attack while crouching. Like Adol's sword goes a bit further or something. Also goes for most of the castle bosses; you'll take some lumps, but hopefully you'll get in enough attacks to beat it.
The final dungeon is a pain, though. Wandering around fighting those powerful skeletons in the near-dark, but I made it through eventually.
I have half a mind to write a Genesis-only guide since most of the guides there seem to be based on the SNES version(because some of the names are different, and the levels are different). But the other half of my mind tells me I never finished my Nemesis or Bionic Commando: Elite Forces guides I was working on.
Hmm... Still haven't thought of what I'd choose to play. I was thinking Shadowrun, but I already beat that. Though it would at least be easier to get ahold of than a japanese only game for those who prefer not to play the roms. Or maybe Dragon Quest 5 or 6 or Romancing SaGa 3 or something else if people don't mind using roms w/ translation patches. Well, I probably won't have to decide for a while anyway.
Hey, does anyone here know a lot about video settings on emulators? Tales of Phantasia, Bahamut's Lagoon, Terranigma, etc. are rather screwed up looking when I play them on ZSNES. Like the fog and clouds are neon green or red, and green pixels are spread all over mode 7 maps. This wasn't the case last time I dabbled in emulation, about a year ago with the same computer. So I figure it has to do something with how I have my video settings on ZSNES.
SNESx9 displays them just fine, but it runs slow on my computer. Like a dead turtle frozen in molases at absolute zero.
Emulators for other systems run just fine, but not ZSNES for some reason.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/28/2003 6:58:46 PM | Message Detail
I think we should make two topics one for RPG discussion and one for our games. Make it clear in both that anyone is welcome to join.
So, Patrick what do you want to play next?
I'm going to try to beat Ys tomorrow. That castle is hard. I'll have plenty of time because of the Christmas break.
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From: Arc The Gamer | Posted: 12/28/2003 9:11:25 PM | Message Detail
My first RPG was Breath of Fire for the SNES. It took me forever to beat! I've gotten alot more skilled since then.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/28/2003 9:29:00 PM | Message Detail
i'm thinking Star Ocean (if Dejap comes through in time) or Romancing Saga 3. but i still haven't beaten Ys3 yet. i probably will in the morning, though. been playing FFX2 so far. despite all its bad reviews, i like it so far.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/28/2003 9:31:30 PM | Message Detail
Breath of Fire was a great game. it was one of my first ones, too. the fact that you could turn into a dragon! that just... blew me away! it was great. :P
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/28/2003 10:36:18 PM | Message Detail
I'll make two topics, but what are we going to call the game one? I'll post the list, too, so we can add people to it as they join in.
Breath of Fire was a very good game. I actually didn't like it at first, but once I got into it, I couldn't stop playing it. I will not mention BoF II as my opinions of the game are usually met with argument. I think Camden used the term "BLASPHEMY!!!"
What did you think of BoF II, Arc?
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/28/2003 11:05:27 PM | Message Detail
call the other one "The Super Elite SNES RPG Players Club." heh, i don't know... whatever you want to call it. :P
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/28/2003 11:16:01 PM | Message Detail
I like "The Player's Club." I'll go with that. Everyone post when you are finished along with your thoughts on the game in here still. Once we have all posted, I'll start the new thread. Camden/Teath, TechMaster, Patrick, and Delin are left.
Mr. Crispy, I will add you to the game-choice list in the next thread, but I think you are after Delin.
BTW, I thought I would try a different trick on the final boss and beat him again. SO, when I go to put the game in the intro comes up... WTF!?! All my saves were lost. I am sooooooo glad I beat it already. I would have said **** it and went on to the next game.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/29/2003 1:14:35 AM | Message Detail
ahh yeah. that'll work. and i think we should consider letting non-RPGs into the mix. i mean... it'll be a nice break, and maybe the non-RPGers out there can teach us a thing or two about good games that aren't RPGs.
and i think we need to emphasize more strongly on the picking-a-point-and-stopping-at-it aspect of the rules. i mean, just kinda going at will works well for Ys3, but for a bigger game, say if someone is going to pick Chrono Trigger... that won't work.
i also think we should wait 24 hours after someone picks a game and let people sign up to play. because some people just might not have an interest to play a certain game or they might not have the time.
those are just suggestions, though... what do yall think?
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/29/2003 1:16:04 AM | Message Detail
My thoughts on YS 3: It is a nice game but is far inferior to Zelda II. Combat skill plays no part in YS 3; either you kill the enemy in 1 hit or they do serious damage to you because they can move so fast. This is why the bosses are so difficult; you can't kill them in one hit so you need to figure out how to survive/avoid many hits while you land yours. I'd be tempted to give it 5 or 6/10 but my personal tilt makes it 7 or 8/10, just because I like side scrolling action/adventures I suppose.
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/29/2003 1:20:39 AM | Message Detail
Well, I'd go for adding Zelda type games but I don't want to play Super Tecmo Bowl >_<
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/29/2003 1:24:20 AM | Message Detail
well yeah... games without a plot (sports games) wouldn't be allowed, i guess. and as for games people don't want to play, that's why we give 24 hours as a sign up period. if at least, say, 3 people don't sign up, then we make the person choose a new game.... again, these are just suggestions... tell me what you think.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/29/2003 5:50:39 AM | Message Detail
I beat it. Major pain to do it though.
My biggest problem with the game is is that it is almost overly difficult. Like math said if you don't kill the enemies with one hit you're in deep trouble because they deal more damage then you do and move faster than you do. Also, I noticed that the collision detection is horrible. If I jumped over a enemy and I was slightly close but still with space between me and the enemy then I'd still take damage. That made areas where conserving your hp was a must near impossible. Something else that brought me much frustration later in the game but was great early on was how quickly the enemies respawn. Late you need to hit the enemy and run away and repeat as necessary, but you couldn't do that because as soon as you killed the enemy and walk back there would be another one coming at you. There many times that I went though this process before I gave up and started jumping enemies, which, as I already told you, had it's own problems. Another thing I didn't like was that you could only carry one healing herb. By allowing more things could have been easier. The story line is not great and neither is the music, but both are tolerable. Although it seems I have nothing good to say about the game. I do. It was fun and it now joins a elite group, the games that I've actually finished.
Rating 59% Slightly Above average
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/29/2003 9:17:45 AM | Message Detail
Okay, I got my time and finally beat that castle and clocktower. It wasn't that bad when I tried desperately...
Spoilers...
Those statues and spears are so annoying though... Plus they take half of your hp off each hit (aka two hits you die)...
One thing I have to say though. **** **! I missed the protection ring.... -.-'''
I guess I'll try beating the last two bosses without that ring... (I personally don't want to go back to the castle/clocktower again)
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/29/2003 12:21:57 PM | Message Detail
i'm thinking Star Ocean (if Dejap comes through in time) or Romancing Saga 3. but i still haven't beaten Ys3 yet. i probably will in the morning, though. been playing FFX2 so far. despite all its bad reviews, i like it so far
God damnit! That was my choice! You better be choosing Saga 3.
*reads a few more topics
*gets tired of reading
I agree. Unless it's bad for me. Then I don't. So I'll trust you guys. Because I'm tired of reading a lot of topics. Yeah.
Dandelion.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/29/2003 1:21:44 PM | Message Detail
Okay, beat it... Man, the amulet sure helped in the last battle...
Here's my rating. (possible spoilers???)
Story: 5/10 - Average.
Graphics: 5/10 - Some cutscenes looked good, but during the gameplay the graphics are average. Some cutscenes made Adol look horrible though...
Sound: 6.5/10 - Not bad, at least it didn't annoy me.
Gameplay: 6/10 - Horrible enemy detection. Also, during the last boss fight, there's several times when I'm sure I hit him and he didn't get a scratch... Although I do like the fact that Adol actually swings his sword in this one.
Difficulty: 14/10 - Argh... Haven't played a game that's "this" annoying in a long time...
Score: Story 35%, Graphics 10%, Sound 10%, Gameplay 35%, Difficulty 10%.
Story: 17.5, Graphics: 5, Sound: 6.5, Gameplay: 21, Difficulty: 6 -> Final Score: 56/100
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/29/2003 2:04:09 PM | Message Detail
So, that's everyone, right? Camden, have you beaten it yet? I am going to post the new topic right now, along with the list of those involved, so Patrick you're up.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/29/2003 4:47:18 PM | Message Detail
ok so now this thread is officially back to general discussion of snes RPGs. good... it was getting kind of confusing for a while.
but now i have 2 topics to frequently check. darnit. :P
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/29/2003 4:54:36 PM | Message Detail
I guess I'll start the discussion. Which Lufia should be played first: Lufia or Lufia II?
I don't have an opinion because as of now I can't afford Lufia II and my Lufia cart has a dead battery. I need to order a screwbit off ebay eventually.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/29/2003 5:02:54 PM | Message Detail
I played Lufia first, and even though I have still yet to beat Lufia II, I would play them in that order. I just think it is cool to learn a bit about a story and then go back and find out more. Makes it interesting, anyway. I haven't seen anything in Lufia II that the first installment ruined for me at all.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/29/2003 5:09:26 PM | Message Detail
i think they should be played in the order they were released. the way the Lufias are written, you can just tell that the developers were totally planning from day one to make a prequel. both are just written so well that the plots and char relations intertwine perfectly. other prequel/sequels aren't written so well. you can tell the developers were somewhat surprised by the success of the first, so they decided to risk a prequel.
take The Hobbit, for example. i know it's a book, but it's the same concept. i might be totally wrong here, Tolkein may have planned it this way from the start, but it seems to me as if he didn't expect The Lord of the Rings trilogy to be such a success, so he decided to write a prequel to either make more money or to fill in little plot holes the trilogy left (i might be wrong about him not planning The Hobbit, but i know there are good examples out there :P).
you can just tell that Lufia II was planned from day one of Lufia. there are absolutely no plot holes that i remember.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/29/2003 5:13:10 PM | Message Detail
bah. char = character, just to clear that up. stupid old mudding habit.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/29/2003 5:19:14 PM | Message Detail
I don't know about Tolkien, but I got the same feeling when I played Lufia before I even knew that Lufia II was a prequel. I remember thinking... this is ripe for a prequel. I thought that the way Lufia started was absolutely genius. I mean, they actually drew you in with a story before you really even played the game. Most games you just wake up and throughout the first day find out you are going to save the world. Bah!!
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/29/2003 5:25:27 PM | Message Detail
actually Tolkin knew exactly what he was writing. He actually wrote the background story the Silmilleron (sp) long before he contemplated the Lord of the Rings, it was published after his death because he it was for the most part his notes, which were written as a story. Also, if I remember right the Hobbit was written before, but I'm not sure. Tolkin was trying to write a mythology for England because, well, everyone else had one. Sorry about the lecture. Tolkin is one of the few things I'm well versed in.
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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/29/2003 5:58:34 PM | Message Detail
I played Lufia after Lufia II. I personally think it's better played as it was released. I agree, Lufia had a nice introduction alright. Despite "save the world from evil beings" is a huge cliche, it was presented a lot better than most games.
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From: Solid Snake 1138 | Posted: 12/29/2003 5:58:37 PM | Message Detail
Actually, the reason that "The Silmarillion" wasn't published until after his death was because it wasn't even close to being completed and it was really about 6 books and appendices (much like TLOTR was 6 books and appendices) for the history and wasn't organized as the book we know today. It was Christopher Tolkien(John's (J.R.R.'s) son) who organized it into a book.
Also he had no idea of where "The Lord of the Rings" was going to go. Just because he had some history("The Silmarillion", "The Hobbit", "Other Stories", and "History of Middle Earth" series. None of the stuff he had done had very much to do with TLOTR except "The Hobbit") and an about 15 languages(with only a few near completion) to work from doesn't mean that he planned for the story of Frodo to be a 1000+ page epic as it was...
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From: Solid Snake 1138 | Posted: 12/29/2003 5:59:13 PM | Message Detail
(directed at Delin)
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From: Teath | Posted: 12/29/2003 6:35:09 PM | Message Detail
So, that's everyone, right? Camden, have you beaten it yet? I am going to post the new topic right now, along with the list of those involved, so Patrick you're up.
Hell no I haven't beat it! I've turned into the turtle of this topic!
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/30/2003 12:11:31 AM | Message Detail
On a completely unrelated note I think Dual Hearts (PS2) could have benefited by adding some dating sim aspects. The main character meets many women who seem interested in him during the course of his adventure and Atlus also published Thousand Arms (PSX).
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/30/2003 12:16:20 AM | Message Detail
I loved Thousand Arms!
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/30/2003 12:26:46 AM | Message Detail
I haven't played it since I rented it years ago. I'd really like to pick up a copy. Those dates were just BIZARRE!
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/30/2003 12:29:38 AM | Message Detail
I never got to finish the game. My memory card ****ed up or something and wiped the data. I lost a Thousand Arms file, a Star Ocean 2 file, an Alundra file, and all three of my arc collection files.
*pouts
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From: math deity | Posted: 12/30/2003 12:40:08 AM | Message Detail
I've lost so many files it's not even funny; including a Star Ocean 2 file that had me deep inside the secret dungeon and a Dragon Warrior 7 save that was a few hundred hours in (I did a lot of leveling) and near the end of the game :/
*stops posting... 500 soon*
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From: Camden | Posted: 12/30/2003 12:44:30 AM | Message Detail
My Star Ocean save was outside the Cave. I don't remember what floor I actually got to, but I was getting slaughtered in normal fights.
*keeps posting, because once this hits 500 Fleck will just make a new one.
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From: Delin | Posted: 12/30/2003 5:20:02 AM | Message Detail
Solid: I knew that. More or less, but I couldn't put it into words very well last night because I was tired and not thinking clearly. Yes, you are right on all accounts.
Anyway...ummm...something about the topic...never mind.
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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/30/2003 5:45:29 AM | Message Detail
yay 500 coming up!
*gets ready for work; thinking about FFX2, Romancing Saga 3, Kingdom Hearts, and Xenosaga*
i'm not getting any work done today... too many RPG plots floating around in my head. :P
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/30/2003 8:44:41 AM | Message Detail
Hey, Cam, where are you in Ys III?
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From: Teath | Posted: 12/30/2003 5:43:58 PM | Message Detail
I just beat it an hour or so ago. The final boss was easier than the one before him.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/30/2003 8:15:16 PM | Message Detail
I thought the first of the final bosses was easier.
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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/30/2003 8:16:28 PM | Message Detail I'll go ahead and end this thread. I will start the new one in the morning, because I am going to bed.
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