The SNES RPG Topic 2

The SNES RPG Topic, Vol. 2

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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/31/2003 7:08:14 AM | Message Detail

So, the first Volume of this thread was fairly successful. At certain points we went slightly awry thanks to certain people, but we got back on track. Here are the rules:

1) Only chat about RPGs allowed

2) Please don't flame, but argument is encouraged. (always brings about the best conversation)

3) Everyone has a voice here. Everyone.

4) Have fun discussing what I believe are the best games ever.

This is a great place for people to bring questions about any RPG, whether it is "Which is better, Chrono Trigger or FF III/VI" or "What is the best game music?" We had some great conversations in the past topic as well. Anything from games being considered art to easiest final boss.

I want to stress again, that ANYONE and EVERYONE are welcome to join in on our conversation. Even if you don't like RPGs, your argument is welcome. Maybe you'll even find that there is an RPG that you might like. Maybe there was a game that you used to love when you were a kid, but can't remember the name of it. Anything goes in here.

I believe the conversation ended with us discussing How to play the Lufia series. Is it better to play them as released or to follow the story and play Lufia II first?

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From: math deity | Posted: 12/31/2003 7:11:18 AM | Message Detail

BWAHAHAHA 2nd Post!

<_< >_>

Anyways I'd like to see more American RPG's include dating sim aspects. I know it sounds weird but try Thousand Arms or Azure Dreams (both PSX) and you might find you like it.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/31/2003 8:04:36 AM | Message Detail

Azure Dreams was awesome! the only thing i didn't like about it was you couldn't ever leave the town.

aren't there any snes RPGs similar to that game?

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From: Solid Snake 1138 | Posted: 12/31/2003 8:06:22 AM | Message Detail

Dunno, though I've never tried it, so I wouldn't know...

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From: math deity | Posted: 12/31/2003 8:12:30 AM | Message Detail

As far as I know there's nothing like it for US SNES, though I'd be surprised if there wasn't something like it that was only released in Japan :(

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 12/31/2003 8:33:40 AM | Message Detail

Well, Tokimeki Memorial (SFC, duh) has at one point rpg elements. Instead of dating sims in rpgs, TM is rpgs in dating sims.

I think that's the closest I can think of on the SNES/SFC...

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From: Teath | Posted: 12/31/2003 12:32:16 PM | Message Detail

At certain points we went slightly awry thanks to certain people, but we got back on track

Yay, I was mentioned in the first post!

TM is the only snes dater I can think of too.

Today, I found an old Game Players magazine. Good stuff.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 12/31/2003 2:30:21 PM | Message Detail

Heh. Hopefully this topic will have the longevity of some other topics I've seen, minus the pervertedness.

Are you going to be archiving the old topic? It would be nice for future reference...

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From: Camden | Posted: 12/31/2003 2:34:01 PM | Message Detail

Hopefully this topic will have the longevity of some other topics I've seen, minus the pervertedness.

Longevity shouldn't be a problem. Perverseness... well that's going to be here as long as I keep posting.

Off-topic(Yes, again): For those of you who didn't see it last time I posted it, take a look at the GBA page...

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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/31/2003 4:39:19 PM | Message Detail

Teath, I was actually referring to a certain troll that wouldn't leave be for a while there.

Mr. Crispy, How do you archive a topic?

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 12/31/2003 4:55:17 PM | Message Detail

Longevity shouldn't be a problem. Perverseness... well that's going to be here as long as I keep posting.

Well, I get a bit... strange at times, too...

But I doubt this topic will get nowhere near as ...strange as what I've seen on specific game general boards. Or social boards.

On a more relevant note, I backed up the old thread. If no one minds, I'll post it on my web page tommorrow.

Now, I think I'll get back to Romancing SaGa 3 now...

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From: Fleck | Posted: 12/31/2003 4:58:26 PM | Message Detail

Sweet!! Thanks, Crispy. Hey, don't forget to post that website so we can go to it for reference. If you ever go back through it, I would be interested in hearing what you have to say on some of the things that we talked about.

I am going to get plastered now, so Happy New Year everyone and I will talk to you all next year... tomorrow... whatever.

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From: Delin | Posted: 12/31/2003 5:42:59 PM | Message Detail

Cool beans Mr. Crispy. It'll be interesting to be able to read everything over again in a few weeks.

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From: Camden | Posted: 12/31/2003 6:51:47 PM | Message Detail

Teath, I was actually referring to a certain troll that wouldn't leave be for a while there.

I know, but I was just as bad as him. I do feel, however, that as a troll I was honorable and well writ.

G.Beaver: It's a trap!

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From: Camden | Posted: 12/31/2003 7:40:03 PM | Message Detail

Yay! The Star Ocean patch is out!

*does the piggly wiggly dance

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 12/31/2003 10:05:09 PM | Message Detail

yay! it looks great, too. i can't wait to hear the voices they'll be putting in the next patch. better yet, they mentioned something about a sort of bloopers/reject sound file they were going to release. that'll be absolutely great. :P

happy New Year, by the way.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/1/2004 12:03:16 AM | Message Detail

Happy new year to you as well.

I was at LUE a second ago. I don't think I've ever seen so many topics with a last post time of 00:00 in my life. There was 25 at once!

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From: math deity | Posted: 1/1/2004 3:01:25 AM | Message Detail

...to drunk to game...

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/1/2004 7:55:34 AM | Message Detail

ok newbie question: what is LUE? i always see it in posts, but don't know what it stands for. i probably know what it is, probably been there. just don't know the abbreviation :P

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From: Lord Magus2002 | Posted: 1/1/2004 10:53:10 AM | Message Detail

Life, Universe and Everything. The most populated board on gamefaqs

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 1/1/2004 4:21:31 PM | Message Detail

Ugh. I think I've caught something. I'm starting to feel sick. Had a bit of a fever most of the day. Though at least I haven't been throwing up. I know, too much information.

Don't know if I'll be able to play RS 3 for a while. So I guess if I don't post for awhile, just go on to the next checkpoint without me. I shouldn't be too far behind if I get better quickly; I just cleared that Podol Cave, so from what I've seen, I guess I just have a little bit further to go to clear the intro.

I got online today while I'm feeling halfway decent, mostly to check my messages and to try to upload the text file of the old topic to my webpage. Didn't work. I think I'll just go in and put change it to HTML... After I start feeling better. So it may be a few days.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/1/2004 5:25:46 PM | Message Detail

ok newbie question: what is LUE?

LUE if a board restricted to users with 150 karma and above. It's got the highest population of users on Gamefaqs. As of account number 88XXXX, no one who registers will be allowed to go there. It's the HQ for porn, fad topics, offensive pages, account suicides, karma moderations, idiots, and the like.

Once you've traveled the pages of LUE for a week, there is nothing left on Earth that can possible gross you out. When my first account got there, I got to see the pain pictures... That was bad...

Now one of them is my desktop image!

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/2/2004 7:26:06 AM | Message Detail

Alright, let's get some conversation going. Here is the topic:

Some people believe that the greatest RPG collection for any console was compiled for the SNES/SFC. What is your opinion on this matter? Is there a collection that is better? What, Who, and Why?

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/2/2004 7:45:47 AM | Message Detail

Although not a console, how about the PC rpg selections?

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/2/2004 8:16:19 AM | Message Detail

i never was big on playing computer games. i've only owned Unreal Tournament, and that's it. :P

as far as best RPG collection on a console... i'm going to have to say it's a direct tie between SNES and PSX. the SNES really created the RPG (more or less), and the PSX carried it so well. that's not to say that PS2 or other systems don't have good RPGs, it's just that... overall, most of their games aren't anything special.

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From: math deity | Posted: 1/2/2004 8:22:04 AM | Message Detail

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From: math deity | Posted: 1/2/2004 8:30:54 AM | Message Detail

Let's make a list of GOOD SNES and PSX rpg's (that'll occupy a good 50+ posts just in bickering over the definition of good). Every poll I've ever seen has psx and snes sharing best system for rpgs ever. We could just tier them though Like (1) most agree they are great (2) mixed reviews (3) bad (4) not enough people played.

So we could make a list and let people decide for themselves.

*The C64 had some good rpg's as well.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/2/2004 8:35:41 AM | Message Detail

C64?

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snes:

Final Fantasy IV

Final Fantasy V

Final Fantasy VI

Chrono Trigger

Lufia & The Fortress of Doom

Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals

psx:

Suikoden

Suikoden II

Final Fantasy VII

Final Fantasy VIII

Final Fantasy IX

Xenogears

just to get it started off, there's 6 for each. feel free to add.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/2/2004 9:14:00 AM | Message Detail

This is a list of the great ones, or ones that most consider great, right? I'll add to it.

snes:

Final Fantasy IV

Final Fantasy V

Final Fantasy VI

Chrono Trigger

Lufia & The Fortress of Doom

Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals

Tales of Phantasia

Star Ocean

Terranigma

psx:

Suikoden

Suikoden II

Final Fantasy VII

Final Fantasy VIII

Final Fantasy IX

Xenogears

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/2/2004 9:18:40 AM | Message Detail

C64?

Commodore 64

snes:

Final Fantasy IV

Final Fantasy V

Final Fantasy VI

Chrono Trigger

Lufia & The Fortress of Doom

Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals

Tales of Phantasia

Star Ocean

Terranigma

psx:

Suikoden

Suikoden II

Final Fantasy VII

Final Fantasy VIII

Final Fantasy IX

Xenogears

I'll tack on Breath of Fire 1&2 just for the sake of arguement.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/2/2004 9:22:10 AM | Message Detail

snes:

Final Fantasy IV

Final Fantasy V

Final Fantasy VI

Chrono Trigger

Lufia & The Fortress of Doom

Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals

Tales of Phantasia

Star Ocean

Terranigma

Solid Runner (try it out yourself if you like)

Emerald Dragon

psx:

Suikoden

Suikoden II

Final Fantasy VII

Final Fantasy VIII

Final Fantasy IX

Xenogears

Tales of Phantasia (btw, should I list the other two Tales games as well? ToD is considered by a some people to have the best story. (and that Leon is like the most popular Tales character via Namco's poll) ToE has probably the best battle system out of all three Tales on the PSX, let's just see if anyone else agrees and include those two titles)

Valkyrie Profile

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/2/2004 11:33:26 AM | Message Detail

just a little side question-

i was just looking at my Xenosaga box and it's produced by Namco? what happened to Square? or was it Enix that made Xenogears (i don't have my box here with me)? in either case i'm certain it wasn't Namco.

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From: Baseball gamer | Posted: 1/2/2004 11:52:24 AM | Message Detail

1.Chrono Trigger

2.Secert of Mana

3.Super Mario RPG

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/2/2004 3:14:30 PM | Message Detail

Snes

Earthbound

Playstation

Star Ocean 2

Valkyrie Profile

Arc the Lad Collection

Valkyrie Profile

Thousand Arms

Patrick: Square let the Xeno team go a while back. Square was ready to release Xenogears, but the developing team hadn't actually finished the game yet. It was released unfinished. If you play the second disc, you'll know what I mean.

Namco picked up some of the Xeno team, including the man who actually thought up Xenogears, which was part 5 of a six part series. I can't remember his name at the moment, but I'm sure someone will enlighten me.

Xenosaga is part 1 of a series of six games. It's not a prequel to Xenogears, but is actually it's own story that happens in the same place. A lot of people will try and find evidence as to why Xenosaga is a prequel, but the man who thought the story up stated in an interview that it was totally different.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/2/2004 9:48:08 PM | Message Detail

snes:

Final Fantasy IV

Final Fantasy V

Final Fantasy VI

Chrono Trigger

Lufia & The Fortress of Doom

Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals

Tales of Phantasia

Star Ocean

Terranigma

Solid Runner

Emerald Dragon

Super Mario RPG

Secret of Mana

Front Mission

Earthbound

psx:

Suikoden

Suikoden II

Final Fantasy VII

Final Fantasy VIII

Final Fantasy IX

Xenogears

Tales Series

Star Ocean 2

Valkyrie Profile

Arc the Lad Collection

Valkyrie Profile

Thousand Arms

SNES still has it by a nose.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/2/2004 11:47:05 PM | Message Detail

Playstation

Breath of Fire 3

Alundra

Dragon Warrior 7

Legend of Mana

Legend of Legaia

Lunar

Lunar 2

Saga Frontier

Wild Arms

Those are all the good playstation rpgs I own, that aren't already on the list. If we're counting Tactics style games, I can add a few more.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/2/2004 11:52:53 PM | Message Detail

You have the Tales series down as one game instead of two, yet you listed Valkyrie Profile twice! You must have copy pasted my section!

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/3/2004 5:46:29 AM | Message Detail

Heh, that's one game instead of three, or one game instead of four if you really seriously count all Tales series on the playstation, although the last one Tales of Fandom isn't an rpg so it's not included.

Btw, didn't I already included Valkyrie Profile XD.

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From: math deity | Posted: 1/3/2004 6:56:39 AM | Message Detail

snes

Tactics Ogre - maybe

psx

vagrant story - great game

final fantasy tactics - maybe

I suppose if we included Alundra we'd have to include zelda...

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/3/2004 8:02:06 AM | Message Detail

My bad, I'll update the list again, but I have a question. Should Tales of Phantasia count since it came out on SFC first? Same thing for Lunar and Lunar 2 for Sega CD.

SNES:

Final Fantasy IV

Final Fantasy V

Final Fantasy VI

Chrono Trigger

Lufia & The Fortress of Doom

Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals

Tales of Phantasia

Star Ocean

Terranigma

Solid Runner

Emerald Dragon

Super Mario RPG

Secret of Mana

Front Mission

Earthbound

Bahamut Lagoon

Breath of Fire

Breath of Fire II

Ogre Battle

PlayStation:

Suikoden

Suikoden II

Final Fantasy VII

Final Fantasy VIII

Final Fantasy IX

Xenogears

ToD

ToE

Star Ocean 2

Arc the Lad Collection

Valkyrie Profile

Thousand Arms

Breath of FIre III

Legend of Mana

Legend of Lagaia

Wild Arms

Vagrant Story

Dragon Warrior VII

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/3/2004 8:36:04 AM | Message Detail

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/3/2004 8:37:19 AM | Message Detail

I personally would say yes count it on the playstation too because unlike Chrono Trigger or the other FF remakes on the playstation it was a complete remake with modified dialogs, remade graphics for the better, modification to spells, add-on techs to Chester and Cless, new playable character, new mini game, and etc. (and for all those who knows about CT and the FF remakes they're just the same as the SNES/SFC version but wtih added videos that's all, pretty close to just an emulated version of the game but is playable on the playstation)

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/3/2004 9:26:36 AM | Message Detail

Camden-

i was WONDERING about that crappy 2nd disc! thanks for clearing that up for me... i REALLY hate that 2nd disc on Xenogears. i haven't beaten the game yet because of that...

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/3/2004 4:07:29 PM | Message Detail

I'm only counting the two I've actually played. I can't speak for the other two.

Btw, didn't I already included Valkyrie Profile XD.

Yes, I know. But I couldn't live with myself not including my favorite game in the list. I even included it twice.

I never had the chance to play the Lunars on SCD, but from the screenshots I've seen, and the remake information in the strategy guide, it's looks to be completely remade.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/4/2004 1:43:15 PM | Message Detail

So, does a complete remake still constitute a completely different game, though?

Also, what about the SaGa series for SNES? Were these games considered great? I am enjoying what I have played through of SaGa 3.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/4/2004 5:20:14 PM | Message Detail

I would consider the Lunars new games.

RSaga3 is fun so far, as long as I don't count the money issues. I've never tried the original two, but neither of them will top Saga Frontier.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/4/2004 9:10:27 PM | Message Detail

Just you guys watch, this will get deleted for spam.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3264963620&category=14899

Did this thing actually exist? I'm thinking of putting down a bid, because who the hell else has a video game coffee mug?

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/5/2004 5:27:30 AM | Message Detail

I wouldn't be surprised if it is real. Look at all the game stuff people have been wearing over the past couple years.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 1/5/2004 8:30:52 AM | Message Detail

Although not a console, how about the PC rpg selections

Well, if you look around you can probably find some cheap RPGs. Such as the Fallout 1 and 2 duel jewel case for ten dollars, the Planescape Torment and Soulbringer duel jewel case for ten dollars, and the Baldur's Gate 2 Collection (Shadows of Ahm + Throne of Baal expansion) for ten dollars (ok, it was a black friday sale... but it's 20 dollars ordinarily anyway...). Most of those are highly recommended by people who prefer more "western" style RPGs over "japanese" style games... which is a bit arbitrary labeling, though I guess a bit true in most instances.

Right now, I am finishing up Torment before installing Fallout or Baldur's Gate 2. Torment has great dialogue, setting, and character interaction, but absolutely crappy combat. Which is why I haven't quite finished it, even though I'm about 2/3-3/4 of the way through. But it's still an interesting game to play.

I don't know a lot about the Xeno series since I haven't played them yet, but I remember hearing someone say on the Squaresoft board that originally it was planned to have some of the installments as books, and other installments as games.

I never had the chance to play the Lunars on SCD, but from the screenshots I've seen, and the remake information in the strategy guide, it's looks to be completely remade.

Haven't played them either, but in one of the FAQs I remember something about the game being made easier, some plot edits to SSSC to make the ending and such happier, and adding and removing bosses.

Also, what about the SaGa series for SNES? Were these games considered great? I am enjoying what I have played through of SaGa 3.

The person to ask is probably Saint Ajora on the Squaresoft or RPG EE boards, or one of the other SaGa boards. I recall him saying that he has beaten every SaGa except Romancing SaGa 2, and beat Romancing SaGa 1 despite it not being translated yet. So he might know something about RS1.

I'll try to post the old topic on my webpage later todat, if I can pry myself away from GameFAQs long enough...

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From: Solid Snake 1138 | Posted: 1/5/2004 10:17:43 AM | Message Detail

Did this thing actually exist? I'm thinking of putting down a bid, because who the hell else has a video game coffee mug?

I'm pretty sure it's homemade with one of those custom mug making kit things. You can't wash it with a dish washer if you use it (why would you do that?) if it is made with one of those kits. Then again, it might not be...

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From: math deity | Posted: 1/5/2004 10:45:27 AM | Message Detail

I used to have a big glass stein with Mario on it. I think I got it for Christmas one year and that it was licensed or whatever, not to sure though.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/5/2004 12:07:35 PM | Message Detail

I know that the whole story timeline was released as Perfect Works, but I'm not sure about an official book release as an installment. That's the main reason people refer to Saga as a prequel to Gears, because in Perfect Works it's similar.

The reason I asked about the mug, is because my friend had one custom made for himself. It says "Ask me about my kids" and shows a picture of his testicles.

That mug has gotten more laughs than anything else in the world.

The only non-game game items I have are:

2 Final Fantasy 7 shirts.

The Lunar and Arc pre order items.

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/5/2004 2:32:24 PM | Message Detail

I've been looking at some of the new game clothes. I especially like the one that has a NES controller on it and in big black letters say either "ROOTS" or "REMEMBER YOUR ROOTS". It's great.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/5/2004 2:46:53 PM | Message Detail

They make video game shirts readily? Link me!

Oh, I was looking at my Final Fantasy 7 shirts, and I found an NBA Jam TE sleeveless. Forgot I had it.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/5/2004 2:53:21 PM | Message Detail

i want a Xenogears shirt. that big red X would look cool.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/5/2004 4:24:37 PM | Message Detail

Well, for PC rpgs, a bunch of them aren't even on GameFAQs' list anyways. Let's say Chinese rpgs. A bunch of them are like really not known by americans (non-Chinese wise that is).

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/5/2004 4:50:05 PM | Message Detail

Yeah. Hot Topic ( http://www.hottopic.com/ ) has almost exclusive rights on them now. They are mostly NES era, but I don't think you have a problem with that. There are also a few small companies printing their own, but you have to look rather hard. Just do a search on video game T-shirts on Yahoo and start looking.

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/5/2004 5:27:27 PM | Message Detail

Also http://www.gameskins.com/cgi-bin/cp-app.cgi they are mostly older arcade games, but still worth looking at.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/5/2004 5:50:03 PM | Message Detail

Nice! Now I can wear video game shirts with my tshirthell shirts!

I'm like, 1337 and stuff.

What was the last on topic subject we had? I've pretty much ranted in every post I've made.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/5/2004 6:15:28 PM | Message Detail

favorite snes RPG character? out of ANY character, doesn't have to be playable, main, good, bad, boss, anything. if they're in an snes RPG, they're eligible.

mine's Locke.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/5/2004 6:19:14 PM | Message Detail

My vote would go to Dhaos.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/5/2004 6:41:28 PM | Message Detail

whos' Dhaos? enlighten me... i probably know it, it's just slipped my mind.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/5/2004 6:45:22 PM | Message Detail

Boss of Tales of Phantasia. (who's under the same design as Sekondeus, spelling, in Tales of Eternia, they look very very similar...and their attacks are just...cough... you know, very very similar)

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 1/5/2004 7:01:24 PM | Message Detail

^And don't forget about their weakness to "Indignation".

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/5/2004 8:18:25 PM | Message Detail

There is too many good ones! I guess I'll try and list my favorites.

Playable:

Sten, Breath of Fire 2

Non-Playable:

Mr.Saturn, Earthbound

Runner-up

Gato, Chrono Trigger

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/5/2004 8:28:14 PM | Message Detail

Gato? wasn't that Lucca's battle bot at the millenial fair? :P

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/5/2004 8:48:07 PM | Message Detail

Yea. I still remember that song he sang by heart.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/5/2004 8:51:26 PM | Message Detail

let's hear it. ;)

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/5/2004 9:02:54 PM | Message Detail

First, is there an ALT combo for the music note symbol, or can't I type it?

They call me Gato

I have metal joints

Beat me up

And earn 15 silver points

Then after you kill him:

I lost

You won

Here's 15 points

Now wasn't that fun

I believe that's exactly it.

*waits for someone to post back because he messed up a small part.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/5/2004 9:10:02 PM | Message Detail

yes! that's it! oh, how i missed that song. :P

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/6/2004 9:07:19 AM | Message Detail

Camden, that's bordering on sick.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/6/2004 9:42:53 AM | Message Detail

who else has a favorite RPG char?

i'd have to say my runner up is Exdeath. loved that guy and his obsession with the void. :P

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/6/2004 11:40:23 AM | Message Detail

Camden, ever seen that CT OVA? Check it out since Gato made quite a scene in that one.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 1/6/2004 12:59:07 PM | Message Detail

Heh. I know most or part of the words to quite a few different Sonic songs, especially from SA1 and 2.

I do understand the feelings of a Persian cat.

...But the Sphinx looked so cute, I had to shave it.

Hmm... Favorite SNES RPG character...

I guess it would have to be Starman DX from Earthbound.

I dressed up as one for Halloween waaaaaaaay back when the game came out.

I was obsessed with Earthbound when I was a kid. Not only did I get it for my birthday, but I had a Starman DX birthday cake as well.

Earthbound was my second RPG. (The first was Dragon Warrior. You know, I got that free with a subscription to NP.) But it was the first RPG I beat, despite absolutely sucking at all games at that age. I guess it was the strategy guide that helped.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/6/2004 7:39:00 PM | Message Detail

Camden, that's bordering on sick.

You're just jealous of my ub3r 1337 m4d 5ki11z.

Camden, ever seen that CT OVA? Check it out since Gato made quite a scene in that one.

Do I know what OVA means? If I should, It's not clicking.

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/6/2004 7:45:28 PM | Message Detail

whos' Dhaos? enlighten me... i probably know it, it's just slipped my mind.

One of the of the last bosses from the Lufia games. He was the coolest out of the lot.

You're just jealous of my ub3r 1337 m4d 5ki11z.

Oh yes, of course, I'm just bubbling with jealoucy. I wish I could do that...NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Actually sometime stuff like that could come in handy. On a quiz show like the now cancelled Beat the Geeks (or at least I think it's cancelled, no new shows).

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/6/2004 8:03:25 PM | Message Detail

Spoilers

Delin, that was Daos if I remember. They sound the same and probably might be the same in their Japanese name, but if it was Dhaos was fighting Maxim, Maxim would be like...dead.... (Dhaos does damages more than 999, so...)

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/6/2004 8:16:35 PM | Message Detail

I've never heard of beat the geeks. I only have basic cable, so I probably don't get the channel.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/7/2004 2:03:16 PM | Message Detail

The drunk party man enemy in Earthbound. The middle-aged retro hippy runs a close second.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/7/2004 2:38:24 PM | Message Detail

*pulls out Earthbound strategy guide

This guy?

Annoying Old Party Man

The Annoying Old Party Man is always in a hurry. When he runs into people on the streets, he's in a big rush to do them in. Hurry to get out of his way.

HP...99 / PP...0 / SPEED...6

OFFENSE...20 / DEFENSE...25

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/7/2004 2:46:25 PM | Message Detail

boo on that guy. Locke will kill them all. Locke was awesome. i had him at level 99 with the Odin Esper and the Offering and Genji Glove relics so he could attack 8x. he had the Atma weapon that was equipped on him since i got it (it grows with the wielder), and something else strong that he could throw (Morning Star, or something). he was a killing machine.

all that, AND he had the best sense of humor. now THAT's a character. :P

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/7/2004 3:16:29 PM | Message Detail

I was just kidding. Although I did think those were hilarious enemies. I don't know who my favorite character was. Lemme think on it. I thought it was pretty cool to have Bowser in your party in SMRPG, but I wouldn't classify that as my favorite.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/7/2004 3:22:54 PM | Message Detail

*equips a relic that boosts turn speed/allows first strike if one exists

*casts Vanish and Doom on your Locke, killing him

Yay Lv13 Celes!

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/7/2004 4:03:07 PM | Message Detail

ha! you might get that Vanish spell off on Locke, but you'd be dead well before that Doom spell was ready. :P

cackle! all hail Locke the Fuhror! er... no, just Locke.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/7/2004 4:19:37 PM | Message Detail

*casts Vanish

*gets killed

*the invisible Locke gets hit by a carriage and dies

Better?

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/7/2004 9:14:43 PM | Message Detail

no.

*the carriage that hits Locke doesn't even make him flinch for he is a MONSTER!!

ok, i'm not good at the whole asterisk - event thing. just trust me, Locke rules. :P

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/7/2004 11:42:18 PM | Message Detail

Alright.

*Celes equips Zephyr Cape and Beads, and dodges all eight of Locke's attacks

Or.

*Locke kills Celes, Camden resets system, wins by default

If Camden actually had to fight Locke, it wouldn't be fun. Camden only gets about 500HP usually...

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From: gankmytaco | Posted: 1/7/2004 11:52:03 PM | Message Detail

my favorite RPG of all time is final fantasy II/IVj. closely followed by ff III/VIj...those are two of the very few games i can play over and over and never get tired of (of course taking a few months break between playing)

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/8/2004 12:19:07 AM | Message Detail

I'm still playing Valkyrie Profile through the first time. No game has ever inspired me to completely max every little aspect of the game before.

Delin: I just noticed, we both wrote reviews for Ys3 after playing it for the rpg topic. Nice!

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/8/2004 1:55:45 PM | Message Detail

Did you read it? If so how was it for my first time? The people in on the reviewer board just sort of ignore people that aren't vets.

I had read yours and it was rather good...or at least as good as most.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 1/8/2004 3:05:21 PM | Message Detail

First of all, before I go off topic, I would like to say I have uploaded the archived topic to my web page.

http://www.geocities.com/dogrobot/snes_rpg.htm

Enjoy! ^_^

Chaos would almost certainly massacre him. It was such a hard battle that I wanted to stab something with a fork.

*Chaos uses Shadow Breath*

*Locke blacks out, unable to attack*

*Chaos uses Shadow Breath*

*Locke is still blacked out, unable to attack*

*Chaos combos Shadow Breath x 2*

*Locke is still blacked out, unable to attack*

*Chaos uses Shadow Breath*

*Locke is still blacked out, unable to attack*

*Chaos combos Shadow Breath and Raven Blade*

*Locke is still blacked out, but is now confused as well*

*Chaos uses Overkill, the ultimate hit-all attack*

*Locke is still blacked out, unable to attack*

*Chaos ends it turn. Locke is still blacked out*

*Chaos uses Shadow Breath*

*Locke is still blacked out, unable to attack*

*Chaos uses Shadow Breath*

*Locke is still blacked out, unable to attack*

*Chaos combos Shadow Breath x 2*

*Locke is still blacked out, unable to attack*

*Chaos combos Overkill x 2, doing a ridiculous amount of damage*

*Locke dies*

Replace "Locke" with "Laura" and it exactly describes at least a dozen failed attempts to beat Unlimited SaGa. Had to go back to my backup save 3 times and level like crazy to beat it.

...

Oh, I'm sorry. I went off on another "Chaos rant". I seriously hope RS3's boss isn't as hard as that.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/8/2004 7:20:03 PM | Message Detail

Patrick, let Locke have a fight with Dhaos and then Sekondeus...

Locke VS Dhaos:

Locke can't attack since his "bar" is still charging.

Dhaos: Dhaos Laser - Time completely stop including Locke's bar. -2000 hp for Locke.

Dhaos: Dhaos Corridor - Time stop again while Locke's bar is half charged. -2000 hp for Locke.

Dhaos: Dhaos Laser, -2000 hp for Locke again.

Locke finally attacks - kills Dhaos in his first form.

Neo Dhaos - Becomes invincible (Locke attack misses). Casts Meteor Storm and bye bye Locke.

Locke VS Sekondeus:

Battle starts, Sekondeus keeps on hitting Locke and Locke dies before his time bar is maxed out so he can take an action.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/8/2004 11:30:10 PM | Message Detail

Dhaos, eh?

*Dhaos does his pathetic 2000 damage, and Lenneth is down to 72,800HP

*Lenneth takes her three swings, Nibelung Valesti, and Dhaos loses 40,000HP

How many turns before Lenneth wins, especially with Phoenix Feathers and the Guts ability equipped?

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From: math deity | Posted: 1/9/2004 4:06:25 AM | Message Detail

I read both of your reviews and both were solid.

If you really want I can ask the reviewers to critique them. I have a friend on their board. They are never nice, especially to newcomers, though...

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/9/2004 5:00:41 AM | Message Detail

Lol. I never tried comparing Dhaos with Lenneth becuase I know Lenneth wins... (just that Dhaos will beat Locke that's all)

Btw, did you two submit the reviews into review of the month contest? It's changed now that you have to "submit" your reviews in to be elegible for the contest.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/9/2004 9:30:09 AM | Message Detail

Mr. Crispy, have you read through what you archived at all yet?

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/9/2004 1:44:30 PM | Message Detail

Thanks for the props math. It's my first one and I wanted to make sure I'm on the right track. I plan on doing others more for a few of my favorite games, but I want those to be some of my best so I'm still "practicing" on some lesser games and trying to get my work count around 800. I think that that would be a good number. Not too much but not too little. Anyway...

Topic: I'm going to read all of the old topic tomorrow. It should be interesting to see where we went over the time it existed.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/9/2004 2:36:19 PM | Message Detail

Btw, did you two submit the reviews into review of the month contest? It's changed now that you have to "submit" your reviews in to be elegible for the contest.

I thought they had just given up on it until yesterday when I read the update. If you win, where is the $25 online GC for?

I wish I would have waited on my other reviews. One of the criteria that's important is first review for a game. My other four reviews are all for games with only one or two other reviews.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/9/2004 5:14:56 PM | Message Detail

Camden, why not try to write a review for some wacked out SFC game that no one has heard of?

Like, that Goemon game for example you proposed to challenge me in that other topic on the board.

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/9/2004 5:40:20 PM | Message Detail

Camden, if you want to change your review you can. I think all you have to do is resubmit the review with the changes and they will replace the new one with the old one.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/9/2004 6:15:49 PM | Message Detail

Tech: Other than Ys3, the other four games I wrote reviews for had only one review each, none with the Sailor Moon game. I haven't finished many lesser known games, so I can't review them that well.

Delin: I've resubmitted a few of them already. The spelling errors I find bug the hell out of me, so once I find a few errors, I resubmit all the applicable reviews. Here's what I know of so far:

I spelled truly as truely in the Magical Drop tag.

In my last sentence for Magical Drop, I used someone instead of something.

My last sentence in the Sailor Moon review is redundant.

"I recommend this to you now because you know that the longer you play the game, the less fun it will turn out to be."

I'm not even sure what the hell I was thinking, really.

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/9/2004 6:24:58 PM | Message Detail

There is some work I want to do on my Ys review. It's just some minor stuff to clarify and to expand a few points. I think I'll do that this weekend. I've been meaning to write another, but I can't choose a game that I've played recently that has few enough reviews.

Let's try to get back to some semblance of on-topicness.

Should I have bought Paladin's Quest. I've only played the very beginning and I don't know if I want to continue. Has anyone else played it? If so, what were your thoughts on it?

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/9/2004 6:37:48 PM | Message Detail

*has no opinion one way or another on the quality and cleanliness of Paladins Quest

It's not a snes rpg, but did anyone else see the screens for Suikoden 4? At least they didn't butcher the graphics</buddy system rant>

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From: Son of TMOG | Posted: 1/9/2004 8:15:43 PM | Message Detail

Can you guys suggest some SNES RPGs for me? This is my current "hit list":

1. Chrono Trigger

2. Final Fantasy 4

3. Final Fantasy 5

4. Final Fantasy 6

5. Earthbound

6. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars

7. Breath of Fire

8. Breath of Fire 2

Thanks in advance.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/9/2004 8:53:41 PM | Message Detail

Lufia 2

Secret of Mana

Soul Blazer

Illusion of Gaia

Those are a few good english games. If you don't mind playing a translated rom, I could list a few more.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/10/2004 5:15:57 AM | Message Detail

The only thing I'll say about Paladin's quest is that it doesn't make me want to keep on playing it.

As for list of rpgs, try to read the old topic (http://www.geocities.com/dogrobot/snes_rpg.htm). We were listing rpgs that we finished or is still trying to finish. There's a lot of snes/sfc rpg listed there.

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/10/2004 3:02:47 PM | Message Detail

Anyone else?

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/11/2004 9:59:15 AM | Message Detail

Anyone?

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/11/2004 5:36:52 PM | Message Detail

I think the rpg topic is finally dying down. I leave for close to twenty hours, and normally thirty posts would be up, but there's only one.

I don't really remember much about Paladin's Quest, which is why I didn't comment on it, but like someone above me said, the color scheme was the only real thing bad about it. Everything else was pretty much average. Not a bad game, but not a great one.

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From: math deity | Posted: 1/11/2004 6:11:45 PM | Message Detail

Paladin's Quest had some interesting innovations... I can't remember what they are though. The graphics aren't bad but rather strange. The item names don't help you know what they do, but a faq corrects that. I'd recommend it as an interesting little game.

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/11/2004 7:11:32 PM | Message Detail

Thanks for the information. I'll start playing it when I have the time.

Where's Fleck? I haven't seen him post in a while.

*Trying to kick-start topic*

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From: Teath | Posted: 1/11/2004 8:04:49 PM | Message Detail

I'm not sure. His last post was on the 9th.

I officially hate everyone I don't know. We got new neighbors about a week ago, and they came over to visit. They have a kid a little younger than me, something like sixteen or seventeen.

Well, we're playing Capcom vs SNK 2, and I win again. He had never played the game before, so he was getting frustrated. This was probably my fault, as I was playing my best when I knew he couldn't win. Frustration was causing him to kick his legs up and down on the carpet. One of his feet came down on a few of my games.

My Casualties:

Capcom vs SNK - game wasn't in it, but the plastic case has a dent I can't reshape

Dynasty Warriors 4XL - the case is dented like CVSNK, but it protected the game.

Unlimited Saga - Was on the bottom, so the case was protected by the carpet. Too bad the game has a crack running down it now.

So I only suffered one game worth of damage, but that's going to cost me close to $20 on ebay. I only just got it, too.

He didn't have any money to give me, so he gave me his gameboy pocket instead. It can't play half of my games because it's old, but it looks cool. I'd be really pissed, but he at least felt bad about it.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/11/2004 9:03:26 PM | Message Detail

make him let you shoot him with a BB gun. it's only fair.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/11/2004 9:19:18 PM | Message Detail

I don't have a BBgun, but I do have my old wristrocket. That thing was fun to play with. I remember shooting a die4 at the ceiling in elementary school, and it got stuck.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/12/2004 7:08:52 AM | Message Detail

Hey, guys. I have been out of pocket like a mother lately. We just got the results from our last rating book (I work at the local ABC affiliate here) and I have been breaking down ratings numbers all weekend. I have barely even looked at my computer since Friday when we got our books.

Son of TMOG, I would definitely suggest either of the Lufia games, especially Lufia II, Secret of Mana and Secret of Evermore. I really like Paladin's Quest, but it seems I might be in the minority here. Brain Lord and Robotrek are good games that aren't suggested very often. And, if you play Japanese only games, I would suggest Tales of Phantasia, Bahamut Lagoon, Live-A-Live, the SaGa series, the Dragon Quest series, and I have heard a lot about Emerald Dragon from Camden.

I think the reason this topic is slowing down is because we are all playing SaGa 3 right now and posting in the Players Club topic instead. People seem to be scared to post here for some reason. I have talked to lots of other people who love the RPGs for this system that do not post in here, so I don't know. Oh, well...

Camden: You can borrow my BB gun.

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From: math deity | Posted: 1/12/2004 10:36:54 AM | Message Detail

*off-system*

Has anyone played Dark Cloud 2? I own DC 1 and hate it but have never tried DC 2. Randomly generated dungeons games usually suck and DC 1 was no exception IMO (though I spent many hours playing Time Stalkers (DC)). The way they forced you to use your newly acquired characters pissed me off too. But I hear that many people consider Dark Cloud 2 one of their top 3 rpg's of '03... perhaps it was just a bad year for rpg's? Any input? It's cheap and I can probably get it for like $12-18 but I hated DC 1 so much...

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/12/2004 11:22:48 AM | Message Detail

math: I have Dark Cloud, but I actually liked it. The dungeons were kind of repetitive, and when they forced me to use Xiako, or whatever the hell the cat girls name was, it sucked. I haven't played the second one, but it looks a lot better, and from what I can tell, there is only two characters this time, so you probably won't be using useless people.

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From: math deity | Posted: 1/12/2004 11:28:35 AM | Message Detail

Thanks Camden, I do feel like I owe DC1 a second chance but I bought it the same day I bought my PS2 based on some EGM? review. Needless to say I was disappointed. I suspect I'll be giving DC2 a chance in the near future... must kill this damn KotOR rancor in the meantime...

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/12/2004 1:39:29 PM | Message Detail

What? Afraid? Of us?

*hystarical laughter*

Well, maybe Camden. :D

We could use some more voices. Anything to bring things a little more life.

Since we are wandering systems. I'm playing FFTA now. It's a fun game, but, wow, for a Square game the story is like tissue paper. For a RPG in general it's decent. Has Square truly fallen that far since FFVII?

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/12/2004 2:18:09 PM | Message Detail

Delin: I didn't know you could fall that far from Final Fantasy 7.

*puts his Red Vest on, which absorbs 50% flame damage

Final Fantasy Tactics Advance isn't nearly as good as the original, seeing as the original had one of the better stories for tactics games. The main gripe I have with FFTA is the stupid rules system. At first it was kind of neat, but once I started getting the NoFight and NoSwords rules, I got pissed.

All my characters with swords only+No Swords rule=Power Switch

I just haven't enjoyed very many square games recently, except for Sword of Mana and Unlimited Saga. Sadly, that will probably be the last Saga game released stateside. I'm still waiting for Star Ocean 3 to be released in English, because playing it in japanese isn't as much fun.

And I'm still waiting for TriAce to make Valkyrie Profile 2. That or they can start making the Tales series again.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 1/12/2004 3:32:22 PM | Message Detail

I agree that randomly generated dungeons are demon's spawn. A side effect of beating all the Traveller's Gates in Dragon Warrior Monsters, and getting some fairly good monsters like a Gold Slime, Dragonlord 1, Divinigon, Rain Hawk, etc..

But I enjoyed both Dark Cloud 1 and 2.

And since I enjoyed the first one, I must say that they improved most features, though a few features are worse.

First of all, they use detailed cel-shading for the graphics.

They improved the weapons customization (you don't have to worry about weapons breaking) and fishing (you can even raise the fish you catch in a virtual aquarium). Also, they pretty much crammed all the characters together into 2, and they each have a special ability. Max uses crushing weapons for short range, guns for long range, and can call up a customizable Ride Pod that can do a lot of damage to enemies. Monica uses swords for short range, magic for long range, and can transform into monsters (which you can level up into stronger monsters). Both characters have charge attacks, and some basic combos instead of just one simple attack, as well as being able to pick boxes and such up and throw them.

Randomly generated dungeons are slightly less annoying. There's a little more variety in the backgrounds and elements that make up dungeons. Also, there are less floors per dungeon, and some special tasks per floor. Like defeating all enemies with a certain weapon. This awards you with medals you can use to buy the alternate outfits for the characters.

The Georama system works a little differently. You produce the building blocks and assemble them how you want (instead of putting together preexisting pieces and preexisting houses). Then you take settlers and put them in the houses. These settlers also have a bonus ability that you can take advantage of if you have them in the third character slot. They don't fight, but you can use them to increase money drops, etc.. However, I personally don't like the DC2 Georama as much as the DC1 system, since you can accomplish the settlement requirements by slapping parts around willy-nilly.

There's only two other bones I have to pick. First, Sphenda. I don't think I have to tell you that golf + randomly generated walled dungeons + only one attempt per floor = not much fun. And I didn't like the story very much. In DC1, I liked the Queens storyline and the origin of the Dark Cloud, despite being rather cliche. Despite taking place in what seems to be the same world, it altered the use of the Atamallia. Which I was particularly annoyed at. Though to be fair, I never finished the last dungeon because I just rented it.

So yes, for the most part it is better.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 1/12/2004 4:16:55 PM | Message Detail

I liked Xiao. Then again, I spent an unhealthy amount of time trying to figure out if that was shorts or fur under her dress. O_o

And I thought it was funny that Xiao was in Toan's room down on all fours and calling him "master" when his mom walked in, and didn't even think it was strange her son was with a girl she'd never seen before. Which raises a bigger question: why don't RPG moms even raise an eyebrow when they bring home random girls to spend the night to um, restore their HP and MP?

Seriously, though, she was one of the more useful characters in Dark Cloud IMO. Xiao only did light damage, but she could get in a lot of hits in quickly and at a safe distance. Probably the best character to use 80% of the time until you get Ruby (who had a fair amount of attack power, and long range).

math diety: Where did you see Dark Cloud 2 for 12 dollars? The lowest I've seen it is 30.

Camden: You said you just got Unlimited SaGa? Did you get a chance to play it before it got cracked? What did you think of it if you did?

I like it (though it's not my favorite SaGa). Though I seriously need to get back to it, since I've only beaten one quest.

I must say, that the boss is ludicrously hard compared to most RPG bosses. Took a dozen or more attempts, three reloads of my backup saves to prepare, and 20 hours of leveling to beat it. Nearly caused me to break something (if I did get mad enough to break things, which I don't).

To be fair, I did pick one of the characters with a harder boss. Laura has a branch in her path where you can pick the easy boss or the hard boss. And I got to the hard one without even realizing it. I probably haven't mentioned it before (ha ha) but when it spams Shadow Breath (and other attacks that do a ton of damage on top of causing status effects that prevent you from attacking) 5+ times a turn in its final form can really screw you over if you aren't prepared for it.

Son of TMOG: In addition to the games Fleck mentioned, I must also throw Shadowrun out there. If you can look past the awkward controls, it's a fun action RPG in a cyberpunk/fantasy setting. And the Soulblazer trilogy (Soulblazer, Illusion of Gaia, and Terranigma) are great action RPGs.

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/12/2004 6:06:20 PM | Message Detail

Delin: I didn't know you could fall that far from Final Fantasy 7.

Actually I've never played it. I just know that it's been called the last good square game before the fall (excepting FFT, not sure when that came out or if it was good, but I have heard good things...I'm rambling aren't I.)

I agree with you on the laws. Major pain. I was just playing it and as those laws pile up it's easy to forget which ones are in effect and what each one means.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/12/2004 6:58:31 PM | Message Detail

I liked Xiao. Then again, I spent an unhealthy amount of time trying to figure out if that was shorts or fur under her dress. O_o

That reminds me of Katt from Breath of Fire 2. I believe she wears a shoulder guard, and fur. Then Eiko from Final Fantasy 9 doesn't seem to be wearing any type of pants. What the hell was square thinking? She's like, ten...

why don't RPG moms even raise an eyebrow when they bring home random girls to spend the night to um, restore their HP and MP?

That, and the fact that you can just walk right into other people's houses, has always bothered me. I can't remember what game it was, I think it was Chrono Trigger, that your mom would comment whenever you brought a new character home.

Camden: You said you just got Unlimited SaGa? Did you get a chance to play it before it got cracked? What did you think of it if you did?

I was about two hours into it. It's hard. I hadn't played it much, but it was hard. I just bought another copy off of ebay for $12 + $5 S/H. $17 seemed like a pretty cheap price for a game that just started selling at $20 new a few places. I can tell why the casual gamer would want to stay away now.

I like it (though it's not my favorite SaGa). Though I seriously need to get back to it, since I've only beaten one quest.

My favorite is still just Saga Frontier. Fuse is my favorite character from it.

I must say, that the boss is ludicrously hard compared to most RPG bosses.

All Saga games are that way. Have you ever tried fighting the Abyss Bat in Saga Frontier? One of it's attacks usually does 1000+ to your whole party, so living isn't an option.

Actually I've never played it. I just know that it's been called the last good square game before the fall

Final Fantasy 7 is praised as godly because it was a lot of people's first rpg. I love the original Ultima and Bards Tale, but when I look back on them, I don't know what I was thinking. Most people hate Final Fantasy 8 because it tries to imbue romance in with fantasy, and withstanding the boring cardboard cut-out characters, it works. Many people don't understand that fantasy isn't just goblins, elves, and magic.

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/12/2004 7:12:29 PM | Message Detail

Many people don't understand that fantasy isn't just goblins, elves, and magic.

Really? WOW!! </sarcasm>

Actually, fantasy is magic. As you know, fantasy and sci-fi are in the same genre. The only thing that separates the two sub-genres is magic. You can have sci-fi in the past (2001, a few other books, movies, and games with machines in the past.) and you can have fantasy in the future just look at the newer Final Fantasies. It seems like Square is trying to go along the future fantasy (read fantasy in the future) road and it's a hard road to take. Only a few professional writers have done it and I don't know what kind of job they did because I haven't read any of that type of work (I'm a sci-fi purist).

Basically that long ramble is saying that you can't have fantasy without magic. Without magic it becomes sci-fi.

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From: Teath | Posted: 1/12/2004 7:39:43 PM | Message Detail

You could easily have fantasy without magic. The first two books in the Song of Ice and Fire series would be classified as fantasy by virtually everyone, especially the purists, and contain no magic at all.

This all changed in the third book, with the injection of a necromancer, but it worked without magic up until that point. Note that this is virtually the only fantasy I read, so I'm not sure what other authors go for this style.

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/12/2004 7:46:10 PM | Message Detail

I've never read the Song of Ice and Fire series. So...Fantasy by definition needs magic with out magic it is sci-fi or drama.

Your not going to win this one Camden. Let's just call it a draw.

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From: Teath | Posted: 1/12/2004 7:58:25 PM | Message Detail

Fantasy by definition needs magic?

Fantasy

The creative imagination; unrestrained fancy

Fiction characterized by highly fanciful or supernatural elements.

Obsolete. A hallucination.

Science

The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.

Such activities applied to an object of inquiry or study.

An activity that appears to require study and method: the science of purchasing.

Fiction

A literary work whose content is produced by the imagination and is not necessarily based on fact.

The category of literature comprising works of this kind, including novels and short stories.

So by definition, Fantasy is something that isn't real. and Science Fiction is something that isn't real. Like you said, they're the same genre, but magic has nothing to do with base fantasy.

Even if I'm not going to win, I'm going to try like hell to be as far from wrong as I can get.

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From: math deity | Posted: 1/13/2004 12:44:19 AM | Message Detail

Where did you see Dark Cloud 2 for 12 dollars? The lowest I've seen it is 30

I could be wrong but I think Gamecrazy is selling it used for something in the teens, and I get 10% off that.

Actually I've never played it. I just know that it's been called the last good square game before the fall.

I haven't like Square much since FF VI, but Vagrant Story is one of the best games for the PSX, though it has a very steep learning curve.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/13/2004 8:03:21 AM | Message Detail

Interesting discussion. I have always considered myself more along Delin's side of this argument. I think you have to go a little further, though. Think of Science as an absolute, it is possible or will be theoretically possible at some point. Magic is something that happens without explanation, it is impossible to wave a wand and produce a fire, ice, earth, or thunder spell. I realize that it is possible to duplicate these happenings, but not at will and not in the context of spouting off a few words and *poof* a ball of fire spews from your fingertips directly toward your enemy. Fantasy (creative imagination, unrestrained fancy) develops these impossibilities into a story much like Science Fiction. The difference is the basis of scientific fact to produce that fiction, whether that technology will ever be developed or not, it can be theorized and therefore becomes science-fiction. Now, that is how I have always seen it. I could very well be wrong, and I am sure I can be swayed, but do you see my point (as badly articulated as it may be)?

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From: math deity | Posted: 1/13/2004 9:42:40 AM | Message Detail

Is it just me or is this the same as the always resurfacing discussion on whether or not Zelda is an rpg? The answer is semantics.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/13/2004 11:24:57 AM | Message Detail

Think of Science as an absolute, it is possible or will be theoretically possible at some point.

it is impossible to wave a wand and produce a fire, ice, earth, or thunder spell. I realize that it is possible to duplicate these happenings, but not at will and not in the context of spouting off a few words and *poof* a ball of fire spews from your fingertips directly toward your enemy.

If some of the crap that goes on in science fiction is theoretically possible, then by all means, so is that.

The difference is the basis of scientific fact to produce that fiction, whether that technology will ever be developed or not,

If the technology will never come to be, then it's not a basis for fact. Science has always worked by saying something is true, unless it can be disproven. At this current time, I can disprove a lot of things in science fiction.

As you can tell, I'm not about to stop arguing my side.

Is it just me or is this the same as the always resurfacing discussion on whether or not Zelda is an rpg?

It's not! No no no!

Meh, I got moderated for posting in that damn rom topic. I don't think mods even know what NKL's are anymore.

How long does it take a mod to get to a contest for one of his errors? I usually don't contest, but this one got me pissy.

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/13/2004 1:43:12 PM | Message Detail

If some of the crap that goes on in science fiction is theoretically possible, then by all means, so is that.

The things that go on in science fiction are all based on current theories of certain things. Let's take Faster than Light travel (FTL). There are several ways that people can get from point "A" to point "B" in science fiction. One way: hyperspace. One leaves this demention and enters another where the speed of light is the minimum speed rather than the speed limit. Then the reenter regular space. Einstein proved that this demention exists, but whether or not we can get there is another issue. Another way: Riding/becoming tachyon waves. I don't fully understand this one, but the basic idea is that you go though a gate and your ship rides tachyon wave (these apparently go FTL) and you arrive at you destination out of another gate. There are several others if you want to see them read the travel section of Asimov's Gold. My point is that all of these are possible now because they haven't been disproved. True magic has. Eventually, these theories will be disproved because, if one is right, then only one can be right in the mean time sci-fi writers have a large range of tools to use. I could discuss similar things with aliens, weapons and such, but I won't.

Meh, I got moderated for posting in that damn rom topic. I don't think mods even know what NKL's are anymore.

How long does it take a mod to get to a contest for one of his errors? I usually don't contest, but this one got me pissy.

Same here. I got modded for my speech about us using ROMs. I don't know why we got modded for it. No information was exchanged, except maybe you and that was borderline. Maybe it was my subtle hint about the tomato. I don't know. I bet you it was Pro12 or the-one-that-shan't-be-named.

Does anyone know if contesting it is just a waste of time? I've heard that some of the mods don't even read them or they just insult the person contesting them.

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/13/2004 2:12:30 PM | Message Detail

Yea! I just read my moderated message. I got it overturned. all I got was a vague threat and a sentence fragment. He responded with a... "you hinted at the site which" nothing else. I kind of wish he would have finished his sentence. But no matter it was overturned.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/13/2004 3:05:44 PM | Message Detail

I just got this.

Hate to tell you but you gave away a pretty big hint about the site's name and once you have the hint it's easy to find.

Time to appeal. If my appeal fails, then this account will have suffered it's first moderation. If that happens, I'm just going to start openly flaming anyone I want. My perfection is tainted, and I must lash out.

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/13/2004 3:08:58 PM | Message Detail

Which roughly equals letting loose the four horses of the Apocalypse.

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From: Teath | Posted: 1/13/2004 3:20:29 PM | Message Detail

Somewhat like that. Every post I've made so far I don't consider flaming, not one of them. They're usually a little insulting or degrading, but not openly mean.

I wish this would have happened about a month ago. With the new "All bans=Map Axe" rule, I can't fall back on an alternate.

Unlimited Saga+Moderation*Broke=Throwing a Sharpie at the wall.

Yes, I know, I'm sure I could take my anger out in more productive ways, but at least I'm not stabbing a hobo.

And yes, I meant hobo. That is not a typo.

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/13/2004 3:30:01 PM | Message Detail

I'm sure I could take my anger out in more productive ways

There are also more fun ways. I always play a violent video game and name the bots the people I hate. Simulated killing is almost as good as the real thing...Not that I would know...

<_<

>_>

*shuts up*

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From: math deity | Posted: 1/13/2004 3:32:37 PM | Message Detail

*hides from Delin-bot*

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From: Teath | Posted: 1/13/2004 3:34:23 PM | Message Detail

*plays Dynasty Warriors 4XL

*kills 3000 peons for no reason

*still mad

Meh, that just made me want kill people. I don't want to kill people, I just want to break them down and destroy their spirits, that way I can point my finger at them and tell them what they did wrong.

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/13/2004 3:43:32 PM | Message Detail

*hides from Delin-bot*

Hiding only delays the killing. It doesn't prevent it.

Camden: Well I always feel better. Violent video games have, on many occasions, kept me off the news. That's why I don't understand why there is all the hate of Violent video games I think they save live then destroy them. I know that without them me and a couple of my friend would have went on rampages, but violent video games allowed me to vent and not kill anyone. Obviously your different, you don't like to see your enemies dead, you like to torture them mentally, physically, and emotionally until they can stand it no more and begin to weep like young children. Which isn't a bad idea... ... ... ...hmmmm...I might want to try this method...I think I shall.

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From: Teath | Posted: 1/13/2004 3:51:58 PM | Message Detail

Obviously your different, you don't like to see your enemies dead, you like to torture them mentally, physically, and emotionally until they can stand it no more and begin to weep like young children.

I do not allow weeping. Any person found weeping from a comment made by me is obstructing justice, and will be punished. If they cry during the punishment, I give up and start calling them names, like doo doo head and stupid little crying stupid boy.

Well, I appealed. I'm not as pissed anymore, even though I know it won't be overturned. Now I just have to wait for this alternate to rack up enough karma to lose the posting restrictions.

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/13/2004 7:47:48 PM | Message Detail

I got Secret of Evermore tonight. I went to the message board to see where it fit in the Seiken Densetsu series so I could see if I could play it. I've only played FFA I want to get Secret of Mana eventually and play it. They implied, I haven't gotten an answer yet, that it is a parallel. What I want to know is will playing SoE confuse me and I should wait or it won't and I should jump right in and try it.

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From: Teath | Posted: 1/13/2004 8:59:21 PM | Message Detail

Secret of Evermore isn't part of the Seiken Densetsu series...

Sorry...

Whirlpool is accepting applications for their translation staff. I'm thinking of applying. What they're looking for:

Someone who'll put time into the site; check.

Someone who can find news instead of waiting for it to be brought to him; check.

Filling out forms and uploading via ftp; ****.

You should be able to write well; check.

Try out all translation patches; check.

Take screens of complete translations; check.

Charisma; check.

Ask questions when you don't understand; check.

Damn computer unknowledgeability. That's right, I made up a word. Deal with it.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/13/2004 9:35:36 PM | Message Detail

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/14/2004 4:21:54 PM | Message Detail

you can speak Japanese, Camden?

...

i was wondering what's ToP like. i'd never heard of it before i started posting here (flame me, if you want :P), and when i read all the reviews for Star Ocean, lots of them had references to ToP to explain what type of game Star Ocean was. so... what's it like?

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/14/2004 6:25:16 PM | Message Detail

Camden, you should know that a moderation goes away like in a month (aka your record will be clean again, unlike the real world).

Ps. I've been modded before for illegal activities while "not posting any rom sites" nor "give hints on rom site names" before (and of course, I don't beg roms).

As for ToP, it uses the Linear Battle System which feels a bit like fighting game + rpg. Of course, ToP SFC is the first of its kind, so the controls and such may not be liked by everyone although it is a fact that it poses a more difficult challenge battle wise compared to, let's say, FF6. However, compared to Star Ocean, ToP is not as fast paced as SO.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/14/2004 7:26:42 PM | Message Detail

Delin, did I just see that you paid $35 for Secret of Evermore? I hope it was complete or PAL. You can usually get that for less than $15 on Ebay.

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From: Teath | Posted: 1/14/2004 9:15:16 PM | Message Detail

you can speak Japanese, Camden?

I wish. I can put it through a translator, but it always turns out like crap.

i was wondering what's ToP like.

Was ToP the first Tales game, because I can't remember. If it's the first Tales game, than it was actually created by Tri Ace. It's a long story, but it was, so you can expect a game some what similar to Star Ocean in style.

Too bad the Dejap translation for it sucks...

Tech: I know, my old account got modded once for illegal activities, and quite a few times for trolling and flaming. Imagine that! Me! Trolling! That's funny.

The fact that a moderation is on my record doesn't piss me off, it's the fact that three years ago I could have said that, and it wouldn't have been modded.

Blame it on a stricter ToS, blame it on a mod process that's based around who whores out the most for MMA, blame it on whatever you want, it pissed me off. The only reason I use these boards instead of others, is because others just suck more.

You see how worked up I get over it?

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From: CodyoMac | Posted: 1/14/2004 9:24:55 PM | Message Detail

hey if anyone is interested, for the rest of Jan. EBgames has a 2 for 1 buy one get one free SNES special

I ordered final fantasy 2 and 3 and got lufia 1 and super metroid for free. 70$ for everything, great deal I think. They are out of FF3, but FF2 is there, along with other RPGs

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From: math deity | Posted: 1/14/2004 10:00:43 PM | Message Detail

urrgh, DC2 does cost $30 at Gamecrazy... I wonder why I thought it had dropped that low?

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/15/2004 11:25:06 AM | Message Detail

Today's poll brought some good memories back from the grave. We used to play D&D in college and I was always Neutral Evil (basically so I could do whatever the hell I wanted). This is slightly off-topic, but its about RPGs. What about you guys?

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/15/2004 12:58:15 PM | Message Detail

I wrote Chaotic Neutral, just because I don't remember the exact descriptions of alignments. If you want to take the alignment quiz, go here:

http://selectsmart.com/FREE/select.php?client=RPGALIGN

I ended up coming out Chaotic Evil. I'm more evil than I thought I was.

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/15/2004 1:46:14 PM | Message Detail

Delin, did I just see that you paid $35 for Secret of Evermore? I hope it was complete or PAL. You can usually get that for less than $15 on Ebay.

The place I go to buy games from rips me off everytime I buy something, but it's the only place in town where I can get a game. My other options are Gamestop and Babbages and they don't have anything decent in stock.

Tech: I know, my old account got modded once for illegal activities, and quite a few times for trolling and flaming. Imagine that! Me! Trolling! That's funny.

Who'd of thunk?

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/15/2004 1:47:27 PM | Message Detail

Camden, I also am Chaotic Evil.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/15/2004 2:01:15 PM | Message Detail

#1 Neutral Evil. (Imagine that...) Actually pretty interesting considering I always played that character but, never considered myself such.

#2 Chaotic Good. WHAT!?! How can someone be Neutral Evil but almost Chaotic Good?

#3 Lawful Evil. Ooooooo K.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/15/2004 2:26:19 PM | Message Detail

I don't remember what my alternates were. I'll take it again.

Society works best with detailed justice system - No/Low

The world would run smoother if I ran it - Yes/High

I wish people would leave me alone - No/Medium

I have an invisible green man on my shoulder - No/High

Revenge is sweet - Yes/Low

I only care about myself and friends, let others rot - Yes/Low

I love the smell of charred flesh - NotSure/Medium

When outnumbered, yell - Yes/Low

Kill someone who might get you later - No/Medium

Friends and loyalty more important than laws - Yes/High

Torture is justifiable if you get something needed - Yes/Medium

Torture is just plain fun - Yes/High

I wish people were efficient like me - NotSure/Medium

Deal with adversity by not giving up hope - No/High

Doing the right thing is it's own reward - No/High

I do things simply to annoy others - Yes/High

When the going gets tough, they eliminate competition - No/Medium

It is better to be loved than feared - No/High

Whoever has the most toys wins - No/Medium

Crime never pays - No/High

A gun and a kind word go farther than a kind word - Yes/High

Consider the big picture - No/Medium

People who are weaker than me aren't worth considering - Yes/Medium

Spontaneous is better than always planning - No/Medium

That got me Chaotic Evil, then Neutral Evil, then Lawful Evil. I guess I'm just plain evil. Who was surprised by one of my answers? No one? Oh...

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/15/2004 2:40:54 PM | Message Detail

Camden, what happened with your appeal? Did it get ignored too? You know what you should try to do? You should appeal you moderation all the way up to Cjay himself...or you could gripe about it. Whatever works for you

*note I sure that this isn't possible. More than likely you'll just get ignored, but it would be fun to try.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/15/2004 2:52:17 PM | Message Detail

My appeal was upheld, and the karma stays missing. I'd appeal to Ceejus, but I've sent a few emails to Gamefaqs on different issues before, and I never get a response. They conveniently have email problems a lot it seems like to me. Oh well, someone can actually say the name of the site, and I can't even hint towards it.

I should go post this on MBH. That or I should complain more about it in this topic.

Yea, that's what I think I'll do.

Yea...

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/15/2004 3:04:26 PM | Message Detail

on muds i was always a player killer who usually fights somewhat with honor. as in i usually made sure people knew i was coming to attack them, but sometimes for the hell of it i'd sneak in on them and backstab them. :P and when my friends were fighting other people i'd 99.8% of the time jump the other guy right as he was about to flee so we'd get the kill. cackle! oh, the pkilling memories i have.

so what's that make me? somewhere between chaotic good and chaotic neutral, probably closer to the latter.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/15/2004 3:12:48 PM | Message Detail

as in i usually made sure people knew i was coming to attack them, but sometimes for the hell of it i'd sneak in on them and backstab them.

In online games, I'm exactly the opposite. I'm of the mind that if I can hit them without them knowing it's going to happen, than that's one extra hit I wouldn't have to worry about taking from them in response. If anything, I befriend them, and after weeks of becoming close traveling companions, I'll jump them right after they're weakened from another fight.

Oh, the spoils of war.

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/15/2004 7:17:29 PM | Message Detail

Note to self... don't trust Camden or Patrick in MMORPGs.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/15/2004 7:23:30 PM | Message Detail

Okay, here's what I know about Namco/Wolfteam/Enix/Tri-Ace.

Wolfteam made the original Tales of Phantasia for the SFC. It was, of course, published by Namco. Then, most of the original Wolf Team left and formed Tri-Ace, which went under Enix. They made what we known today as Star Ocean. If you want proof, check the names of the development team for both games and see if there's any overlaps. (there should)

I don't remember where I heard this but it might be from a Chinese Tales forum located on GameBase Taiwan. What I heard is that new members joined the Wolfteam and made the remaining Tales games, so the current Wolfteam staff probably isn't the same as the original. I don't have any confirmation on that information, but if someone has proof (aka names of the current Wolfteam members) then it would help clear this up.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/15/2004 7:34:58 PM | Message Detail

Note to self... don't trust Camden or Patrick in MMORPGs.

lol... to be fair i made it quite clear who my allies were to everyone. and they all knew that i was very loyal to them. but, i only had two real allies :P everyone else was open season for me. :P

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/15/2004 8:04:06 PM | Message Detail

Tech: I don't have proof, but that's pretty much how I heard it.

Wolfteams original name was something like TeleNetJapan, and they had created Tales of Phantasia. Namco and Enix were both interested in the rights to the game, but Namco won out, and created Wolfteam.

Something happened, a lot of people say it was Namco hoarding all the credit for everything to do with the game, but most of Wolfteam eventually left to form Tri Ace, in my opinion the best video game developer in existence.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/15/2004 8:08:04 PM | Message Detail

I'm loyal to my allies as well, but I have two forms of loyalty. This is how I look at it.

If you put something on the table that's good for me, I'll be good to you.

If you don't do anything to keep me interested, then I don't really understand what I'm doing there in the first place.

Obviously, in group one, I'd stay with the people and be nice to them. I'm not going to lie though, because if at any time I saw an opportunity to further myself by hurting an ally, I'd jump at it. I guess I'm the mercenary of online rpgs. As long as you keep me interested, I'll work alongside you.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/15/2004 10:29:10 PM | Message Detail

Three posts in a row... damn...

Alright, if you're reading this, and you have failed to read my above statements, do so now. If you do not follow the guidelines before you, bad things will happen. Like Dan Rather dying. Or Al Roker. Or some other person who does the news and or weather.

Ok, free magazines!

http://www.gamespy.com/arcade/gamepro.shtml

I found this on LUE, and a few people said they got it last time around, and it's completely free. Granted, Gamepro is a complete piece of crap, but if anything, you just scored free toilet paper.

Free Toilet Paper > Free year of Gamepro > Things that cost money

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/16/2004 7:00:44 AM | Message Detail

Btw, Wolfteam existed long before ToP. There's several games made by "Wolfteam" if you go and check out some obscure games. Basically what I'm saying is that Wolfteam existed before Namco took them in. They might be what you said to be before, but they didn't change their name to Wolfteam after taken in by Namco.

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/16/2004 1:43:44 PM | Message Detail

I should mark that for spam Camden...but I'm not because I'm not one of those type of people. I went to the site and realized how bad Gamepro was. Also, PLastic covered paper is not good TP. I had a friend who tried. That's right had :D

Anyway RPGs. Is it just me or do the characters in Star Ocean have tales?

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/16/2004 4:20:08 PM | Message Detail

SPOILER maybe? well, just in case

tails? they're supposed to have tails. it's part of the story. they aren't' from earth.

end.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/16/2004 5:22:46 PM | Message Detail

I should mark that for spam Camden...

Might as well...

Oh, look! Spam!

www.ebay.com

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/16/2004 6:42:57 PM | Message Detail

Patrick: Shut up! It's a three day weekend and my brain went on vacation. Higher level brain function is no long easy. :D

Camden: Actually I don't care I only mark the stuff of people that annoy me, blatant stuff (obvious censor bypass), and true trolling and flaming. So, it basically means that I never mark anything because before I do it's modded and if I do the mod doesn't think that the message is a troll. BAH!

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/16/2004 8:26:59 PM | Message Detail

Don't I spy some SPAM in your sig?

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/16/2004 8:32:10 PM | Message Detail

Have we ever done the dreaded "What's your favorite SNES RPG" question in here? I know that random people have popped in here and posted once with "My favorite RPG is FF3, it RvLeS!!!," (Which is totally fine) but I don't think we have really jumped fully into the discussion. I don't really know what mine is, but it's a thought...

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/16/2004 8:46:43 PM | Message Detail

My favorite snes rpg fluctuates. Damn, I actually can't figure out on my own how to spell that word. I'm getting stupid. Currently, it's Emerald Dragon, but that's always subject to change.

EDIT: Hell, I did spell it correctly.

Camden: Actually I don't care I only mark the stuff of people that annoy me

That doesn't bode well for me. I can only stay on peoples good sides for a certain amount of time.

Before long, someone will post a serious problem, I'll respond with my usual dated sarcasm, and it will piss them off. Repeat once for each user, and I'll be banished from the board.

I'm glad only three or four people completely dislike me, and maybe one actually hates me.

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/17/2004 6:55:36 AM | Message Detail

Don't I spy some SPAM in your sig?

Uhhh...Errr..ummm...

*cough, cough*

Hey it's legal. It even says in the TOS you can do it.

Topic: Favorite RPG: So far the one I've liked the best is CT, but I haven't played that many so I'm not the greatest person to ask.

Do you realize how hard it is to say that without sounding like a fanboy.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/17/2004 8:51:49 AM | Message Detail

Spoiler about Star Ocean people have tails.

Cough. Only two out of all the playable characters are "human beings". Four playable character (I think) have tails. It's not monkey tail, but more like cat tails I think.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/17/2004 8:12:45 PM | Message Detail

I believe the characters are of the race known as Fellpoolian. I don't have my emulator open right now, but you can check on the characters status screen.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/18/2004 11:58:42 AM | Message Detail

I'm gonna bring life back to this topic...

Fav rpg... Hmm... Well, can't really say, but I'll mention a few titles that I liked. ToP, ED, SR, etc.

Btw, here's another question.

Which RPG game has given you headaches or nightmares and why? (or bad memory)

It gotta be Light Fantasy 2. That game as so many status ailments that can't be cured by normal means it's scary...

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/18/2004 12:24:18 PM | Message Detail

Only game that has ever given me massive migranes is, don't laugh, FF:MQ. That game makes up for story and game play with tons of "easy" puzzles and those battlegrounds every so often.

*yell of frustration*

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 1/18/2004 1:54:09 PM | Message Detail

Yeah, FF:MQ grates against me for some reason. Mainly it seems like you get confused by a ridiculous number of enemies, then you smash yourself to death. Not to mention that my copy seems to be a bit glitchy. It froze up on me 5 or 6 times so far. One time it even got so bad that one of the items on the menu changed to "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA". Ok, I'm exaggerating a bit. The letters in the menu items were only replaced by the "MA" character in the word "MANUAL" at the bottom of the screen. Still was freaky, though.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/18/2004 4:08:00 PM | Message Detail

My favorite is still Lufia II, even though I have yet to beat it. It just has too good of a mix of puzzles, action, and story not to be at the top of my list. Close second is CT, mainly because it was my first taste of a really great game.

The game that gives me headaches (which is the reason why I haven't played it much) is 7th Saga. I walked into the first dungeon after about an hour of leveling and got CLOBBERED. It was ridiculous. One of these days, though, I will get bored and fire it up and really try to get into it, but, man, it must take forever to beat for all the leveling.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/18/2004 4:31:22 PM | Message Detail

I'm gonna bring life back to this topic...

And I bring plague, famine, and the deaths of everyone's first born child?

Which RPG game has given you headaches or nightmares and why?

I have bad memory, so I can't recall very much from any games other than recent ones. So I'm going to say Legend of Dragoon. It seems like everybody likes the game now, but I played it for about ten hours, and wasn't going to play any longer.

People who tell you that you can't judge a game based on the first few hours of play are wrong. That's the only way I judge things.

That's one thing 7th Saga has an abundance of, and that's leveling. I'm sure if you broke it down, leveling takes up probably 80% of the game for the average player.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/19/2004 9:01:32 AM | Message Detail

Is 7th Saga's story worth the 70 hours of leveling that you have to go through? I like the idea of making alliances with people to get through the game, and the radar was pretty unique.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/19/2004 6:15:01 PM | Message Detail

Well, if you beat the game, you got something to boast about.

Btw, I personally hates the 3D views (that you can actually turn your camera, let's say BoF IV) that they have in recent rpgs. Why? Because it makes me lose my direction easily and makes me feel like I have to consult a walkthrough in order to proceed, which I really don't want to since it spoils too much stuff.

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From: CodyoMac | Posted: 1/19/2004 6:53:54 PM | Message Detail

I feel the same way I hate shifting cameras

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/19/2004 7:43:16 PM | Message Detail

I don't care if they have shifting cameras, as long as I get to control the movement. I hate when I'm in an area, and it would help a hell of a lot to get a view from behind my character, but all I can get is a side view of a house.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/20/2004 12:10:25 AM | Message Detail

On-topic: Does anyone have much experience with the Growlanser series? Working Designs is bringing 2 and 3 over, but I heard that the first one was the only good one.

Off-topic: I'm sure some of you have seen this before, but I found it funny as hell. If this gets modded, then that's just three karma well spent on a funny story. Priceless!

http://www.soufoaklin.com/tattooartist.html

"I think I'm helping my fellow man by labeling all the stupid people in the world," he explained. "It's not a crime, it's a public service.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/20/2004 12:20:20 AM | Message Detail

Fleck-

even 70 hours won't save you. :P that game is massive hard. i like what i saw in some guy's sig on some other board here- "if you're getting your ass kicked repeatedly in a game then you either suck at gaming or you're playing the 7th Saga." that pretty much is true. :P it's just normal to get your ass kicked over and over in that game. the story isn't that great, but i can't explain it, there's something fun about that game. and the fun thing to attempt seems to be to be Valsu and to get Lejes (the demon, forget his name) to join you. they're mortal enemies so supposedly it was supposed to be impossible, but i've seen screen shots that prove otherwise. in any case, it just depends on whether or not you feel like going days without seeing a hint of a plotline. the leveling takes up THAT much time. :P

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/20/2004 1:09:39 AM | Message Detail

Patrick: If you're using an emulator, leveling is quick in 7th Saga. Hold down fast forward, the OK button, and start walking. Doesn't take too long.

It just sucks when you don't pay attention and you're high leveled character dies to something that usually does 0-1 damage...

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From: math deity | Posted: 1/20/2004 1:11:34 AM | Message Detail

I love leveling... I'm a freak I know. But I've never gotten past the 4th dungeon in 7th Saga. Usually by the time I'm that far I buy a new game and have to start over the next time I play it.

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From: supersonicj11 | Posted: 1/20/2004 5:48:04 AM | Message Detail

people do you want smrpg on gba? sign the petition!http://www.classicgaming.com/sotss/petition.shtml

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/20/2004 7:47:55 AM | Message Detail

I really couldn't care less what gets ported to the GBA. I don't own one and probably never will. I like playing my SNES games on my SNES. It's funny to me that all these people want these games ported when they can get the SNES game for less than a new game. I didn't want to rant, but I guess I did kinda. Maybe its the collector in me, maybe the nostalgia is too strong to ignore, I don't know, but I would much rather play the game on SNES.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/20/2004 11:29:51 AM | Message Detail

Nintendo needs to stop porting games to the GBA and make some new ones that will be unique to the system. then maybe i'll buy one. leave MarioRPG to the snes, and start a petition to see a sequel if you want more Mario-action, RPG-style.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/20/2004 12:11:43 PM | Message Detail

How about a no on that petition?

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/20/2004 2:14:36 PM | Message Detail

really couldn't care less what gets ported to the GBA. I don't own one and probably never will.

Nintendo needs to stop porting games to the GBA and make some new ones that will be unique to the system.

That's too bad. Even if you do like playing the snes games on the snes, the GBA has so many games that aren't ports worth buying.

I'm not really playing rpgs that much right now. I'm pretty much devoted to Strategy games, whether they be original or ports, it doesn't matter. Don't give me the SRPG crap, I hate that. Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, Tactics Ogre, and Onimusha Tactics are sucking up all my time.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/20/2004 2:35:55 PM | Message Detail

Camden, you are also talking to a guy who's newest system is a Dreamcast. I might get a playstation this year just because of all the great games that are on the system, but I have tons that I haven't yet given the attention I need to on the systems that I do have, let alone the games I haven't even gotten yet. I just probably won't have the time or desire for a GBA, but who knows?.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/20/2004 2:53:13 PM | Message Detail

I'd buy a playstation before a GBA as well. If I had to pick my five favorite games ever, they would all be playstation games.

I'm just saying, the three current systems are crap compared to the GBA.

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/20/2004 3:02:36 PM | Message Detail

I got a GBA before I got a playstation, which I have yet to get. The GBA does have some very good original games on it. I think nintendo is porting all these games to give the younger generation a chance to play the great games on the SNES. Remember nintendo has changed their target audience from anyone to children under the age of 10. Most of nintendo's current clientele weren't even born when the SNES came out.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 1/20/2004 3:41:32 PM | Message Detail

Hmm... Nintendo has released a few ports. But most have some added content, like new levels and such.

And they (finally) released games from the Wars and Fire Emblem series, which were pretty much the pioneers in the strategy genre on consoles from what I've heard. So that should count for something.

Hey, Camden... Have you played Zone of the Enders: Fist of Mars? That's one of my favorite GBA games. I'll admit that it's light on strategy, but I love the story. Captures the spirit of the ZoE series better than the PS2 games. And I like so many of the characters. Like Ned. Crazy ass perverted unoriginal old bastard of a villian. And Nadia. Such a serious soldier, yet so sad. And Philbright Westriverside Warehouserock XXVI. Whose name is fun to say. And is actually pretty cool for a femininish comic relief character, for reasons I can't go into without spoilers. And Cage, Myona, Ares, Razma, Semyl, Yukito, Warren, Mebius, Twede, Robin, Deckson. And the rest.

And the music... Z.O.E. 2173 and Promise of Reunion are some of my favorite tracks from a video game. Especially Promise of Reunion, because not only does it play a big role in the story, but it just seems to express its dual nature of a song of loss, sorrow, and tragic memories, but also a song of hope and love, and reuniting under impossible odds.

Could rattle off quotes all day. "I realized that those who are weak have nothing, not the freedom to love or be loved. When they whine and lament their misfortunes, it is meaningless. In fact, they are merely making excuses for themselves, trying to gain sympathy!" "Man, why am I stuck with the ole man when I could be having a passionate liason with an older woman?" "Cage, what is a human life? In the vastness of the universe, a life is a point of light, a split second. In the smallness of ourselves is the anger, the despair to set the universe ablaze."

So yeah, I like the game. Makes me want to play the Super Robot Wars series, too.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/20/2004 4:21:06 PM | Message Detail

No, I didn't know they made one for the GBA. The ps2 games didn't really appeal to me though, so I'm not sure if I would like it. I'll go read some reviews and whatnot now.

My second copy of Unlimited Saga arrived today. Hopefully it will survive this time.

I've never really tried the Super Robot Wars series either. I just don't really care for the feel of the games.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/20/2004 5:21:49 PM | Message Detail

I'm just saying, the three current systems are crap compared to the GBA.

------------------------------Camden

what makes you think that Camden? i'm not trying to start an argument, that's an honest question. i just don't know much at all about the GBA except that every single game i've seen advertised for it was ported, except for FFTA.

the ps2 has an great library of RPGs and access to the psx's amazing RPG collection. it has a pretty good collection of other type games as well.

the Gamecube isn't much as far as RPGs, but it's multiplayer library is great.

i've never cared for the Xbox, but it does have Halo. :P

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ok, so i know nothing about the GBA really but i know it beats the Xbox. :P and possibly i could see it being better than the Gamecube because how often does one play multiplayer? but the ps2 is a great system! yeah yeah, i know... so says the guy with PS2 in his name. :P

but what games for GBA make it so great and why?

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/20/2004 6:35:34 PM | Message Detail

the ps2 has an great library of RPGs and access to the psx's amazing RPG collection. it has a pretty good collection of other type games as well.

The ps2 has a collection of rpgs, but I wouldn't call them great. Only four of them interest me. The backwards compatibility I'll use to demonstrate my GBA point later.

the Gamecube isn't much as far as RPGs, but it's multiplayer library is great.

I like very few games for the cube, but the ones I do like are gold. The system needs online capabilities, because it's game library isn't good enough.

i've never cared for the Xbox, but it does have Halo. :P

Which is the main reason I hate the xbox. Whenever anyone argues it, they always mention Halo. I played the pc version at a friends house, and I can say that I wasn't much impressed. The xboxs saving grace is it's close to perfect online abilities.

but what games for GBA make it so great and why?

I had a really huge list, but my computer crashed. I'm not about to type the whole thing out again, so here goes off the top of my head.

Pokemon: The original two, Final Fantasy Legend, Final Fantasy Legend 2, Final Fantasy Legend 3, Final Fantasy Adventure, Megaman, Megaman 2, Megaman 3, Megaman 4, Megaman 5, Metroid 2, The Legend of Zelda LA, Dragon Warrior 1+2, Dragon Warrior 3, Lufia 3, Lufia 4, Legend of Zelda Oracles, Metroid Fusion, Castlevania AoS, Castlevania HoD, Castlevania CotM, Advance Wars, Advance Wars 2, Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, Fire Emblem, Tactics Ogre, Onimusha Tactics, Sword of Mana, Breath of Fire, Breath of Fire 2, The Legend of Zelda LttP, Mario Kart, Star Ocean BS, Harvest Moon, Golden Sun, Golden Sun 2, Mario and Luigi SS, Lunar Legend, Lord of the Rings TT, Megaman Battle Network, Megaman Battle Network 2, Phantasy Star Collection, Shining Soul

Games that I want that aren't out, or just haven't imported: Shining Soul 2, Shining Force remake, Mother 1+2, Mother 3, Megaman Mania

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 1/20/2004 7:14:03 PM | Message Detail

You missed out on FoM on your strategy game binge?

Well, the GBA Zone of the Enders game was made by the same company as Super Robot Wars (I think, hence what I said last time). It's a strategy game, but with a bit of a twist. If you have the IAS system on, it adds an action element to the game. You can aim for the enemy cockpit to get a critical hit instead of just relying on luck. And during enemy attack phases, you can dodge attacks.

It makes things rather easy if you leave IAS on. But it's still kind of fun.

And I can't believe that I forgot to mention some Pharsti quotes last time. She's rather sarcastic for an AI.

"I am not keen on the way you mindlessly rush headfirst into battle."

"Assuming you didn't cheat to obtain this result, it is entirely commendable."

"Would you prefer a vague answer to your inquiry? It won't change the facts, but..."

"Tired and completely useless threat registered."

There's a lot of text, as it's more about story than gameplay. There's two different plot branches (the 25 or 24 scene paths); they are somewhat similar and end in basically the same way, but there are a couple different plot twists along the way and you fight different people. And there's also a semi-secret character.

I made a webpage for it... There are some spoilers in the FAQ section (about getting the plot branches and semi-secret character, and about some of the connections to the other games mainly what's mentioned in the epilogue), but I have some pictures and art and the scripts for the first couple levels.

www.geocities.com/dogrobot/zoehome.htm

I will address the GBA vs. console thing tomorrow.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/20/2004 7:22:25 PM | Message Detail

alot of those games, though, you can play on Gameboy or other systems and they're exactly the same... right?

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/20/2004 7:43:35 PM | Message Detail alot of those games, though, you can play on Gameboy or other systems and they're exactly the same... right?

7 out of those 44 are on different systems. I believe there are another five that are out on japan only systems. If you don't want to count the earlier system versions, then don't count the ps2's backwards compatibility either, or any of it's ports.

Even if you count ports and backwards compatibility, the playstation/playstation 2 is still losing for me. If I think long enough, I can come up with about 80 different gameboy games I like. Both the ps systems total at about 35/40.

I'm not saying the system is going to be everybody's favorite, I'm just saying that it's mine.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/20/2004 8:02:26 PM | Message Detail

oh yeah i know. it's all a matter of opinion. they could port every single psx/ps2 game ever for the GBA and i'd still like the ps2 better. something about portable systems just bugs me. but i was just wondering your opinion.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/20/2004 8:13:45 PM | Message Detail

The only thing that bugs me about my gameboy is the unlit screen, and I'm not about to pay another $100 to get the sp.

The only reason I got the ps2, besides the fact that my playstation is failing, is the Suikoden games, the Xenosaga games, and the Dynasty Warriors games. Star Ocean 3 is a great game, but I'm sure I'll like it more once I can read it.

I asked earlier, I'm not sure if it was in this topic or not, if anyone knew where my name came from. It comes from a game called Brigandine. It was a strategy game for the playstation that got less than stellar reviews, but I've put 1000+ hours into it easily. I doubt anyone here has played it, because no one else I know has.

Also, I love the quote from the character. It sums up my personality almost perfectly.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/20/2004 10:05:47 PM | Message Detail

what's the quote? i remember that game; never played it though.

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From: math deity | Posted: 1/20/2004 10:20:17 PM | Message Detail

I'm pretty sure I rented Brigadine years ago. Every copy I see of it now is something like $30 though.

The only thing that bugs me about my gameboy is the unlit screen, and I'm not about to pay another $100 to get the sp.

Get a GC and a GC-GBA Player :p

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/20/2004 11:45:35 PM | Message Detail

If that was sarcasm, it's actually not a bad idea. I haven't the slightest idea what a gbplayer costs, but my local Fred Meyers is selling cubes right now for $80.

Patrick: Here is the quote, which was in my quote...

I wouldn't want to live in a world where everyone is equal and abundant. I would rather see the world to be where only those who make an effort can become happy. I want to keep all the happiness to myself.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/21/2004 12:16:35 AM | Message Detail

Alright, it's not an rpg, but it's fun as hell. It's a game where you hit a penguin with a club.

http://ogc.ath.cx/files/tmp/pingu.htm

Current far - 592.6

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/21/2004 8:14:34 AM | Message Detail

I hate not having a PC at home. Hopefully I will get it back today. I am adding DSL to my crappy old computer from college and for whatever reason the drivers that the net card came with keep messing up my OS. The guy that has it is reformatting that hard drive right now and reloading a better version of Windows (I had '95). Hopefully I will be able to get it back tonight so I can download Star Ocean and get caught up in the Players Club thread.

ANYWAY... I obviously couldn't get on-line last night so I missed out on all the good convo. Of course, there isn't much I can add since I haven't played any of the games that you mentioned, but...

Camden, that link won't work for some reason. What is it to?

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From: Z3RO SoE | Posted: 1/21/2004 9:01:48 AM | Message Detail

I'm sorry to interrupt your subject. But can anyone recommend me a 1st person maze-crawling RGP? Something like Might and Magic II or something. I'm about to buy one, so please give me some alternatives...

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/21/2004 9:30:02 AM | Message Detail

Z3RO!! Where have you been? Here are some suggestions for you... If you like M&M II (How did you find it, BTW?), M&M III is good. Also, Arcana rocks (except the ice cave, AAAH!!). Others that are worth mentioning are Obitus and Dungeon Master. Also, if you haven't played Dragon View, it is FP combined with side scrolling. It is a VERY good game. I recommend it heartily.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 1/21/2004 9:33:38 AM | Message Detail

it's not SNES, but Shining in the Darkness for Genesis is pretty fun. it's really fun to try and map. it was one of my first RPGs.

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From: Z3RO SoE | Posted: 1/21/2004 10:50:52 AM | Message Detail

Ok, thank you...

Are anyone of you familiar with "Wizardry V"?

Should I buy it or not?

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/21/2004 12:59:02 PM | Message Detail

I have actually been looking for Wizardry V. I don't know much about it, but the reviews are good that I have read.

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From: Z3RO SoE | Posted: 1/21/2004 1:32:48 PM | Message Detail

The reviewers are lying, Wizardry V isn't fun at all! There's no animations in the entire game.

It really suck.

But stupid as I am, I guess I'll buy it tomorrow anyway ($35)...

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/21/2004 1:41:27 PM | Message Detail

No matter how good or bad it is, I wouldn't pay $35 for it anyway. You can find it on Ebay for half that price easy. Have you already played it? What do you mean there are no animations? Is it like Radical Dreamers or something? I don't remember reading anything like that (*goes to review pages to see*).

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/21/2004 2:06:38 PM | Message Detail

Isn't Shin Megami Tensei like that? I've heard wonderful things about the game, but I don't think I've ever played it.

Fleck: I found that posted on LUE, and it's down for me as well now, so the bandwidth was obviously eaten up. It's a little web game where you're a sasquatch like creature. You click the mouse, and a penguin jumps off an ice mountain above you. On the way down, you swing at it, and try to see how far you can hit it. It's a simple game, but I was playing it for about an hour before I went to sleep.

Too bad it's down, that game was fun...

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From: Z3RO SoE | Posted: 1/21/2004 2:36:43 PM | Message Detail

The Characters, Enemies, Items, nothing is animating...

I know that, because I bought exactly that game a year ago, but it sucked so hard that I sold it... But now I want it again... I don't know why, I'm just attracted to bad games... It's the same with LotR, I keep playing it...

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/21/2004 3:08:37 PM | Message Detail

Still, don't pay $35 for it, it isn't worth that.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 1/21/2004 3:11:36 PM | Message Detail

The only first-person dungeon crawlers I have are for Genesis. Shining in the Darkness and Dungeons & Dragons: Warriors of the Eternal Sun. Not only did I manage to get Warriors of the Eternal Sun complete at Gamestop, they also had the 96 page hint book with it. :)

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/21/2004 3:18:37 PM | Message Detail

I personally can't get into first person dungoen crawler rpgs... For some odd reason, they just turn me off when I try them... That's also the main reason why I haven't tried Shin Majin Tenshi yet...

Btw Camden, are you Chinese? I remember you claiming that all the Japanese you can read is the kanji, and usually Chinese are the ones who can do that.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/21/2004 3:44:22 PM | Message Detail

I remember you claiming that all the Japanese you can read is the kanji, and usually Chinese are the ones who can do that.

I did? I remember saying I couldn't read the kanji in either the Energy Breaker or Rejoice thread, so I might have made a typo, but I can guarantee that I can't read any of it, or tell the difference between them. Isn't there like five kinds? Kanji, Romanji, Katakana, and Hiro-something are ones I've heard somewhere. What's the difference?

I claimed to speak French once, but I can't. The only reason I said I could was to further aggravate someone on RI.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 1/21/2004 6:09:17 PM | Message Detail

I don't know a lot about Japanese...

I believe Kanji is the formal one, with characters representing words or ideas. Katakana is like syllables, more of the everyday use. And Romanji is just the Japanese syllables written out with english characters. Could be wrong, though...

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/21/2004 6:43:01 PM | Message Detail

I think that there are three, but I'm not sure.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/23/2004 6:11:16 AM | Message Detail

Hey guys, someone want to save these posts before this topic dies off?

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/23/2004 7:02:04 AM | Message Detail

I don't think this topic will die. We are all just real busy right now and when only 8 people post to a topic, it's going to have its dry spells.

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From: Delin | Posted: 1/23/2004 1:21:05 PM | Message Detail

I wish more people would come and liven up the conversation, but it seems like we've scared them all. I wonder how.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/23/2004 1:35:37 PM | Message Detail

I think just the sheer number of posts scares most away. There are a LOT of people that are RPG fans of this console that post here regularly, and they seem to avoid this topic. Maybe we have all made ourselves out to be Elitists (remebers early postings from the first RPG topic). I still like talking to you guys whether it is about SNES RPGs or not. I would like to get some real conversation about these games going again, though. Maybe we should take it one game at a time and discuss each? Of course, once that is done, there isn't much left to talk about...

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/23/2004 7:43:25 PM | Message Detail

I'm the one who started the whole elitist conversation, being in reference to some other board we were talking about. Do other people view us as elitist? Somewhat. When I go to a new board, and I read a topic where all the veterans of that board are posting, I think they're elitist. Are they? In some regards, yes. Their conversation is always directed to each other, and it makes them look like they don't want "outsiders" to even bother.

Seeing as we have the largest topics on the board that contain social discussion, and the amount of people who post in the topics are few, others will obviously view us as elitist.

You can make a message on the first post saying that the topic is for everyone who wants to talk, but it won't help. Most people will probably feel like you're inviting them to be assaulted by our elitist speech. You can't really remedy this.

If people want to think I'm an elitist, I'm fine with it. People already think I'm rude, ignorant, selfish, and annoying. Elitist has a nice ring to it at least.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/23/2004 9:01:27 PM | Message Detail

Has this board (not just this topic) seemed kind of dead to you guys lately?

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/23/2004 9:34:47 PM | Message Detail

Actually, yes it has. I usually stop using the computer around 12:30AM, and come check the messages at around 3:00PM or so. Usually I have to scroll down a little to find the first message posted so far that day, or the last one I haven't read. I barely had to scroll at all these last two days.

I tried cutting down on the amount of topics I post in, so I don't piss as many people off.

*ego grows

Is it possible that it's because I've posted less?

*is told that it's not

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/24/2004 6:28:50 AM | Message Detail

Maybe my X amount of unfinished rpgs scared a few people away? :P

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/25/2004 9:48:14 PM | Message Detail

Tech: Apparently.

*bumps to save his 60 some active messages

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From: math deity | Posted: 1/25/2004 10:54:22 PM | Message Detail

Yeah, they board has slowed quite a bit over the last few days. It may have something to do with school resuming?

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/25/2004 11:42:23 PM | Message Detail

Meh, I graduated. I'd like to go to college, but you know.

No money + No job + Can't drive + Fat = No college

To get money, I need a job. To get a job, I need previous work experience. To get previous work experience, I need a job. That just rotates. The only jobs that don't require previous work experience need me to be in good physical condition. **** that.

By the way, this is just proving that I can't keep up with information at all, but when did Legaia 2 come out?

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From: TheAquafan | Posted: 1/26/2004 1:57:11 AM | Message Detail

According to Gamespot, Legaia 2: Duel Saga for the Playstation 2 came out on 10/01/2002.

I just saw that game for 20 bucks at my local Rite-Aid this past Friday.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/26/2004 7:41:14 AM | Message Detail

Alright, just to spur some conversation, I have a question.

Are you a level up freak?

I know someone here earlier stated that they level up just for fun. I tend to be one of those people that has pretty predictable level up habits. I always level up to level 5 (or the equivalent of) right from the start before I go anywhere, then I just play, beating any enemies that I encounter until I beat the first boss. After that I will level up a couple more levels just to be prepared for the next part of the game and I then play straight through until the next boss where I will level up a couple more level afterwards and lather, rinse, repeat... I usually never have to intentionally level up for long periods of time in order to beat the next boss because of this preparation. I find that there are usually enough enemies in a dungeon to level with playing the game straight through. Of course I haven't played 7th Saga yet, so I am sure this theory will not hold up once I tackle that beast.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/26/2004 6:44:55 PM | Message Detail

It really depends on the game. YS3 required you to lv up majorly unless you're really skilled at platformers. I suck at those so I just level up to make it up for my poor skill. It depends on the game, but some games I kill all the enemy I encounter and others I intentionally avoid fights so I can be at my best when I face the boss. (those are usually games where the monsters require some effort to kill and doesn't offer enough payback)

Btw, ever tried really level a character in a strategy rpg? When it's my turn to pick the game at the other topic, you'll see why (this strategy rpg has multiple endings, and one of the final boss, since there's several, is...) when the time is right or if you chose the difficult path. I'm not sure if Camden will like the game, but it is one of the longer strategy rpgs out there. It's not Bounty Sword though. Bounty Sword is also rather long, and difficult at times if you're not careful. I do went through some major training in that game as well, and it was sort of fun.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/26/2004 8:11:25 PM | Message Detail

Legaia 2 came out in 2002, huh? Wow, I missed it completely. Anyone have opinions on it.

I like to level a lot as long as the battles are engaging. If they're the same boring, redundant commands repeated over and over, then it takes a lot of fun to keep me leveling.

That, or the fast forward key.

I'm not sure if Camden will like the game, but it is one of the longer strategy rpgs out there.

Is it better than Hoshigami? That game was a piece of ****. There are precious few games that I absolutely hate. The only snes strategy game I can think of that I wouldn't play at all would be Jyutei Senki, however you spell it.

When you say strategy game, do you mean Tactics Ogre like games, or Romance of the Three Kingdoms style games. I consider both of them in the strategy genre, where most people call the former SRPG's.

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From: math deity | Posted: 1/26/2004 11:14:18 PM | Message Detail

The only 3 US snes rpg's I really need to pick up are Earthbound, Super Mario RPG, and Ogre Tactics; there're some other poor ones I'm missing </random comment>.

Leveling is fun but there need to be rewards like in Star Ocean 2 and the Dragon Warrior games.

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From: math deity | Posted: 1/26/2004 11:25:18 PM | Message Detail

I thought Legaia 2 came out last spring? I liked it more than the first one. Though beating Legaia 1 was much more of an accomplishment. Leveling in Legaia 1 was so boring each battle seemed to take many minutes. Even though battles take nearly as long almost no leveling is required in Legaia 2 as the bosses are much easier. It has a nice item/skill system but for some reason I never bothered to master them; perhaps because of the low difficulty? I'd definitely recommend it and should actually replay it; I think I squeezed it into the week before Zelda: WW came out.

Oh and it had some very amusing characters.

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From: kain611 | Posted: 1/26/2004 11:36:39 PM | Message Detail

Hey guys.

Camden, if you can find the Legend of Legaia 2 get it, well worth it imo.

Now about the Xbox bashing back ^^ there it doesn't deserve alot of the bashing it receives. Case in point is the absolutely stellar KOTOR. I know its not the greatest in graphics and its buggy as well but the way the story is conveyed is spectacular. Also they have a couple of very good first person RPG's albiet ports.(Morrowind & Ark Fatalix) And while I'm here I'm not hailing the Xbox or anything and I'm not a Halo fan(there are way better games on the PC) but the Xbox gets a bum rap because it can't pick up 3rd party support. Think about all the "big" companies in the market. Where are they located? And then Bill Gates jumps in their game and they all feel threatened. Would you support a "outsider" in say a Presidential election? Most would not some would, matters on your opinion.

Now on to the GBA & GC. I think they are both excellent systems in their own right. Also if any of you have a 'cube you may want to check out Skies of Arcadia. The best Sega RPG since PSII/PSIV.

Hey tech is your pick on a game going to be Ogre Battle? Or is it going to be Bahamut Lagoon? Also Shin Megamei Tensai is very good and Ghideon got a great translation out there. If you can't tell i'm babbling now.... time for sleep I guess. Any of you played Live a Live for SNES? Nice translation there. Night or Morning all.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/27/2004 4:51:16 AM | Message Detail

That's Gideon Zhi. You might want to spell his name right.

As for which game, it's neither. Try and guess it if you want. ^^

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/27/2004 1:09:42 PM | Message Detail

Case in point is the absolutely stellar KOTOR.

I've played it a little on a friends system, and I can't say that it's bad. If I was going to buy an xbox, this is one of the few games I would get.

Morrowind is, well, I just don't like it. I'm not even sure what the hell Ark Fatalix is...

Don't even mention Halo. That's the only game in existence that can rival Final Fantasy 7 in dillusional fanboyism.

I have Skies of Arcadia on my Cast. It's too bad my Cast doesn't work right now, because I never got around to finishing the game.

Try and guess it if you want.

Hell, give me a hint. What's the first letter, or is it under Strategy or Rpg in the genre section?

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/27/2004 1:35:36 PM | Message Detail

You're awake, Camden? I really liked Skies of Arcadia. I know the big beef most people had with that game was the amount of random encounters, but I really didn't find them to be that bad. I thought the story progressed nicely, too. The ship battles are really cool in the beginning, but get tedious in the end, with the exception of the final ship battle. That was fun. The end boss is way too easy, though, if you are at a high enough level. Did you like Skies or Grandia II better?

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/27/2004 1:53:00 PM | Message Detail

You're awake, Camden?

I'm coughing up blood, and can't breath through my nose, so going to sleep wasn't my best option. I've been up for about 30 hours now. My parents insurance sucks, so I'm not going to ask to get any antibiotics.

I like Grandia 2 better, but I've beaten it. While my Cast no longer works, I can still play Grandia 2 on my playstation 2.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/27/2004 2:04:02 PM | Message Detail

Dude, WTF!?! Are you OK?

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From: math deity | Posted: 1/27/2004 2:14:03 PM | Message Detail

My Dreamcast only works upside down. Get better Camden.

Anyone have any opinions on Front Mission 3 (psx)? Gamecrazy has a copy for $30 and my ps2 won't play Jak II so I'm thinking of swapping for it. I usually don't like strategy rpg's much. FFT was ok but I never bothered to finish it. Disgaea was awesome though.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/27/2004 2:44:55 PM | Message Detail

Camden, take some good sleep. It'll help you a great lot.

The time for me to tell you my choice will come eventaully when Math is done with his. Just be patient, and take good amounts of sleep.

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From: kain611 | Posted: 1/27/2004 3:08:03 PM | Message Detail

Front Mission 3 is very good if you can stand the long scenes(which are well done) and the amount of "web serving" you have to do. Besides there's 2 different paths to follow. By the way check out this deal I got at EB today:

Skies of Arcadia-GC

Starfox Legends-GC

Soul Caliber 2-XBOX

Unlimited Saga-PS2

Suikoden 3-PS2

Saga Frontier 2-PS1

Koudelka-PS1

Underworld-DvD

Universal Controller adapter so I can use my PS2 pad for Soul Caliber 2:-)

All this for $68 Not too shabby if I do say so myself.Oh yeah I liked Grandia 2 on the cast better than Skies just for the voice acting. However I liked the depth that Skies offered therefore I bought it again to experience it once more. Hope you feel better soon Camden. Tech your game isn't going to be DQ6 is it? Or DQ5?....what about Inindo: Way of the Ninja? that game is quite fun actually. Peace guys talk to ya later after I sample some of my new collection^^^

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/27/2004 3:25:47 PM | Message Detail

I like Front Mission 3. I don't know if I would pay $30 for it, because it's supposedly going to be re-released with the first two on the ps2 sometime in the future. The odds of getting it stateside are slim, but it could happen.

Skies of Arcadia-GC -$20

Starfox Legends-GC -$?

Soul Caliber 2-XBOX -$20

Unlimited Saga-PS2 -$20

Suikoden 3-PS2 -$30

Saga Frontier 2-PS1 $15

Koudelka-PS1 $?

Underworld-DvD $-500 teh suxx0rz

Universal Controller adapter so I can use my PS2 pad for Soul Caliber 2:-) $?

So that wasn't too bad of a deal. I thought underworld was lame, but I'm more of a stupid comedy junkie.

Jesus Christ, Vampire Hunter is currently my favorite movie.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 1/27/2004 3:28:36 PM | Message Detail

Whoah. That's scary, Camden. I too hope you feel better soon.

As for Legaia 2, well, I've got rather mixed feelings about it. It's got the linearity and long cutscenes of FF10, but lacking the deep battle system and story. I only played up to the point you get the Aqualith back, though. I'll get back to it eventually.

Front Mission 3, I've beaten Emma's storyline but not Alisa's. It's fairly good, but very drawn out. Emma's storyline is like 60 levels, and Alisa's like about 50. Almost all of both paths are different, though, as they split off almost immediately (like after the 5th level or so). The combat is a bit bland... Wanzers have multiple life bars, like you can destroy their arms to keep them from attacking or their legs to keep them from moving, or just smash up the body to destroy them. If you can beat the pilot, or force them to eject, you can eject too and commendeer their Wanzer. And if it's unoccupied but not destroyed at the end of the level, you can keep it for parts or sell it. Certain parts "spark" different pilot skills to use, like Pilot Damage and Arm Smash though you can only have a few equipped at a time. But you can't really target what part to damage, just either a random part, all parts equally, or random damage to all parts (depending on weapon). So it extends battle a bit since you can't just smash the body all the time. You also can't equip a lot without tinkering around with the weight and parts. There isn't a whole lot of strategy involved in the battles. The virtual internet with e-mail and websites giving backstory to the game is a neat idea, but there's not a lot there that actually affects how you play the game.

If you've played the demo included with Vagrant Story, it would give you a good indication of what the game is like, as it is the first four or five scenes up to the point the plot splits off.

I wouldn't pay more than 15-20 dollars for it, though, since that's what I see it for all the time at Gamestop and some other places.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/27/2004 3:45:36 PM | Message Detail

It's got the linearity and long cutscenes of FF10, but lacking the deep battle system and story.

By that, did you mean that it's lacking a battle system and story in general, or that it's lacking the battle system and story that Final Fantasy 10 has.

If it's the latter, than all I have to say is this.

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That's right, nothing.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/27/2004 4:29:31 PM | Message Detail

!IMMEDIATE HELP NEEDED!

Is there any way to restore files after I've deleted them! Please let there be some kind of way!

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 1/27/2004 5:03:24 PM | Message Detail

Sorry, I don't really know a lot about computers... I'm in the wrong major. v_v

By that, did you mean that it's lacking a battle system and story in general, or that it's lacking the battle system and story that Final Fantasy 10 has.

Well so far, the story seems to be a pretty traditional story about stopping the bad guy from abusing the power of these crystal things to purify the world, but the story scenes seem to be a bit drawn out. (though the graphics seem fairly good, and there's decent voice acting).

And the battle system doesn't really offer the flexibility of customizaton and number of skills that the sphere grid of FF10 had.

Basically, you enter a string of directional commands that correspond to attacks. Certain combinations of directions correspond to special moves, that can be strung together in combos. Sort of like in a fighting game, except not since there's a list of commands, doesn't rely on timing, and is completely turn based. Learning new moves is mainly a matter of finding the permutation of directions that access it (either through trial and error or by looking at a FAQ), though some of them have special conditions that make them tricky to figure out on your own.

Magic is mostly limited to whatever skills the characters' soul guardian thingies (I think it might be 'Deva's) have. Though one of the characters uses magic through direction commands instead of a weapon.

Though to be fair, there seems to be a good customization system for accesories, sort of like FF10 has.

It's not a bad game, just that there's better RPGs for PS2.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/27/2004 6:51:39 PM | Message Detail

Crispy, that whole post was pretty much not needed. I've played into the game quite a bit, but I wasn't much impressed. I thought you were saying that Final Fantasy 10 has an in depth battle system, and was just trying to clear that up. Though you did do a good job of describing the game.

I hope there's someway to restore recently deleted files, otherwise I'm going to have some work to do.

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From: math deity | Posted: 1/27/2004 9:20:20 PM | Message Detail

I have an xbox and have no desire to own halo... is something wrong with me?

I own all those and they're all good though not great imo, I doubt they'll stand the test of time. Arx Fatalis plays similar to King's Field for the psx Camden.

Thanks for the info on FM3 everyone. I decided to get Beyond Good & Evil for the xbox instead. Apparently it sold very poorly (though everyone I've asked loved it) so they dropped it's retail price to $20.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/27/2004 10:07:37 PM | Message Detail

^It suffers from "There isn't millions of people being stabbed or shot therefore it sucks" syndrome that is commonly associated with games today.

I've heard nothing bad about the game at all, and it in fact looks like something I might get, especially since it's been reduced to $20 based on poor sales. I don't personally care for the name, but I don't consider that a big selling point.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/28/2004 10:45:26 AM | Message Detail

I don't remember any DQ game (although one/two DQ related game is sort of Strategy rpg, but related, not direct) is considered SLG/strategy rpg...

Btw, the game I'm going to choose is indeed a game that's in a rather famous series. Better not leak too much info...

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/28/2004 12:32:56 PM | Message Detail

Fire Emblem, Super Robot Wars or Farland Story? Those are the only series I can think of that others might not guess.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/28/2004 12:49:57 PM | Message Detail

Hey, Kain, post that buy in the new games topic. I am going to add the new tally on Friday, so get it on there before then, if you can.

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From: kain611 | Posted: 1/28/2004 8:37:59 PM | Message Detail

What topic Fleck? Can't seem to find one. Gimme a link if ya don't mind.

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From: math deity | Posted: 1/28/2004 10:43:25 PM | Message Detail

Here it is Kain

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=913&topic=11595191

Beyond Good and Evil is an awesome game. I'm tempted to call it a masterpiece. Incredible graphics and music. Good story. Good control. Even the camera works fairly well. Fun mini-games and racing. The only real problems I've noticed are that it's pretty easy, the maps aren't very helpful, and I hear it's rather short. It's definitely a must own for $20 (the xbox version anyway).

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/28/2004 11:03:47 PM | Message Detail

Did the ps2 version go down to 20? Hell, does the ps2 even have a version of it?

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From: math deity | Posted: 1/28/2004 11:25:30 PM | Message Detail

I know there is a PS2 version and I saw it for very cheap on ebay today; $10 with 3 hours left.

I now believe every action/adventure/rpg game should have some form of racing in it. I was never a big fan of Chocobo racing in FF but Road Trip convinced me that it's a good element. In BGAE when you're not in town areas or dungeons you fly around in a hovercraft and inevitably have opportunities to race.

*I should refrain from gushing about a game until I've been playing longer but I couldn't help myself. My save file is at 10 hours.

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/28/2004 11:46:35 PM | Message Detail

If I can tear a game down within the first 30 minutes of playing, you have every right to praise one after ten hours. After all, not that many games lately can hold my attention for nearly that long.

I'm finally trying to catalogue all my games, and the only place I know of is IGN. First, because I'm a slob, I can't even locate half of them, so I'm just running of the top of my head. Second, I hate IGN. It keeps putting the games in my wishlist area, and I have to constantly remove the watching eye symbol.

Does anyone else know of a site that lets me throw my collection on a page?

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 1/29/2004 7:03:24 AM | Message Detail

I'm afraid I don't care much for BG&E much so far. (I'm playing the PS2 version, which I got for 10 bucks at Circuit City when it was on sale a couple weeks ago.) That might be a bit harsh though, since I'm just really frustrated with it.

I don't really like the combat, or stealth elements. The teamwork elements are pretty well executed, but the actual combat seems quite lacking. And it's really irritating to not be able to attack enemies with the staff unless they attack you first, in the stealth sections. So instead, you have to use the disk launcher and aim for a small air tank on the enemies' back. Which wouldn't be so bad if you have to go into first person mode and aim each time. And that the guards seem to be completely invincible save their achilles heel, of course. Forcing you to run like hell back to a safe area and wait for them to go away if you miss or walk into their vision area, instead of just being able to pummel the tar out of them and move on (even if it involved taking some heavy damage).

Sneaking past the guards in the Nutrapils factory literally gave me a headache. And then I went into the Underquarters side area, not knowing that I had more sneaking around in store, and automatic one hit kills (well, maybe not one hit; the laser must do at least 4 hearts of damage though) if found. And I couldn't just shut it off, because I hadn't saved recently and I would lose a fair amount of progress. I had to stop playing as soon as I got out, to refrain from smashing something.

The story, cutscenes, and voice acting are pretty good. But it just feels like the designers tried to cram in too many different genre elements to polish the gameplay.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/29/2004 3:17:56 PM | Message Detail

I don't know much about newer games, so I haven't been able to keep up with Crispy and Camden's conversations as of late, and I feel like a big fat loser (*looks in the mirror* "Damn, I AM a big fat loser!"), but does anyone have any ideas about how to get the conversation back geared toward SNES RPGs? I haven't been posting much lately because, well, I can only post during the day because my computer is a squirrel that has lost its nuts, and I haven't really been able to get into the conversations because I am stupid and don't have a clue about a lot of the games you all have been talking about.

On a side note, I am still playing Earthbound and I must say that I am thoroughly enjoying the experience. I have been taking it slow because I have been waiting to join in on the Players Club games, but I haven't been having a whole lot of luck with that per computer problems, and it really pisses me off. Random tangent aside, Earthbound is absolutely the most unique game I have ever played. It isn't that the controls are much different that any other RPG, or that there are many innovations as far as gameplay or anything like that go. But, what makes this game so fun? Is it the fact that you get to fight hippies and drunk people instead of slimes and orcs? Is it the little extras like the girls "wetting their pants" over the band or kids in the corner warning you before they fart? I don't know, but, as I've said before, I am slowly but surely becoming a fanboy for this game.

I think that when I am done with Earthbound, I am going to go back to Lufia II. Mourning time is finally over from my save being lost. Now I can't remember what all I had and it won't make me mad anymore. I have been itching to pick it up again, but have been holding back.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 1/29/2004 5:08:21 PM | Message Detail

I don't really follow new games very much either. I tend to follow GBA closer than the next gen consoles, and even then I haven't gotten many recent games for it in the past 3 or 4 months. The most recently released games I own are Ratchet & Clank 2, Disgaea, Viewtiful Joe, and Soul Calibur 2.

I haven't played a lot of big name games like FF10-2, Xenosaga, Kingdom Hearts, Suikoden 3, .Hack series, Jak 2, Sonic Heroes, Mario & Luigi, Sword of Mana, etc. let alone more overlooked titles I'm interested in like Skies of Arcadia Legends, Ikaruga, Culdcept, Shadow Hearts, CIMA, Botokai, etc.. Haven't had time to even play some of the games I own (Dragon Warrior 3 NES, Crystalis NES, Baldur's Gate 2, Fallout 1 and 2, Xenogears, Alundra, Tactics Ogre: Knight of Lodis, and the Genesis RPGs I got), between wanting to finish some others first, and classes.

Mainly my efforts have focused on obtaining a Genesis and games for it (since November; I even found joysticks for NES, SNES, and Genesis in the process). Now that I've found it, I can start looking for some other stuff. I want to get a couple more SNES games before Gamestop drops them, as well as a few fighting games. So my next purchases are going to be Lufia 1 (they don't have Lufia 2 anymore), and the Guilty Gear games. After which I might buy some other carts like the Contras, Castlevania 1 and 4, TMNT 4, etc., but if I miss them I could probably find them fairly easily at another used game store in town.

I was seriously obsessed with Earthbound when it came out. It was one of the few RPGs that I played (along with Super Mario RPG and Robotrek), after the original Dragon Warrior scared me off from the genre because I was afraid to leave the Tantagel area and cross the bridges to the east, and instead tried to level up to level 10 or 15 and getting the best current equipment by fighting slimes worth 1 EXP and 1 G. lol.

I not only asked for it for my birthday, I had a Starman DX birthday cake and dressed up as Starman DX for Halloween (I need to see if my dad still has that picture he scanned...). And I enjoyed it and beat it, even though it started to piss me off towards the end because I didn't have a lot of experience with RPGs at the time.

Yeah, it was a pretty funny game. I still remember some things like the policeman who scrambles up his lines, the "Ultra Mambo Tango Foxtrot martial arts", the guy who says he's Thomas Jefferson, the guy who says he'll try not to kidnap people because it's wrong, the Happy Happiests (I'm kind of starting to feel the same way about blue... All the best things in life are blue. Mega Man, Sonic, Krystal, blue, um, a third of all anime character's hair...), the Mr. Saturns, and some of the other strange trippy stuff.

I suppose you'd be interested in the other Mother series games, hmm? The Mother 1 rom is pretty common on the web as "Eartbound Zero", though I heard it was a lot harder than its sequel. Nintendo has some plans for the Mother series on the GBA, at least in Japan. Mother 1+2 has already been released, and they are working on a Mother 3. No word on a US release for either, though.

On a very off topic note, I am quite happy because I got a copy of Futurama volume 1 while it was on sale for half price. Not only is Futurama one of my three favorite shows (alongside the Simpsons and the old-school Twilight Zone), but this volume contains most of my favorite Futurama episodes like Fear of a Bot Planet, I Roomate, Hell is Other Robots, Fry and the Slurm Factory, and well pretty much all the other episodes on the set. Yay!

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From: kain611 | Posted: 1/29/2004 8:53:48 PM | Message Detail

Just wanted to say that I agree about Earthbounds' charm. Game is just fantastic! It almost makes leveling up...fun!

I still hope Nintendo will do the right thing and port Mother 1&2 over to the GBA as well as release a Mother 3. This is one of those series that is truly magical. Hopefully the big N will learn what American gamers want and start porting some of their systems rpg's. The Fire Emblem series deserves to all be translated to english and is one of the main reasons to own a GBA. My next big rpg for the next gen consoles is Tales of Symphonia for the GC. Hopefully it will be a classic just like TP, TD, and TD2 were. Also I really hope someone would port or re-release Dragon Force 1&2 for the Sega Saturn. Great games...and oh yeah I'm starting my shrine on Dragon Force that will be viewable at rpgclassics.com. Wish me luck!

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/29/2004 11:51:07 PM | Message Detail

and I feel like a big fat loser (*looks in the mirror* "Damn, I AM a big fat loser!"),

I'm pretty big, and really fat, and very much a loser, so I offer you my hand in marriage. We should get two wedding cakes, because I plan to eat one all on my own.

but does anyone have any ideas about how to get the conversation back geared toward SNES RPGs?

No. I can respond to almost every type of topic, but I can't think of them on my own. How about... I don't know. What snes rpg did you used to like, and when you look back on it now, can't understand why? Is that a good idea?

because I have been waiting to join in on the Players Club games,

I'm currently not playing any roms, because I had a run-in with something called stupidity, and it's currently qwning me.

On a very off topic note, I am quite happy because I got a copy of Futurama volume 1

Family Guy > Futurama

If Nintendo does bring Mother 1+2 over stateside, I hope it's a new translation for Earthbound, because I can't stand how the characters in Earthbound act like they've never met, when they've been through a game together.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/30/2004 7:11:53 AM | Message Detail

I am totally lost from the Playstation revolution. The only playstation RPGs I have played are FF 8 (on my PC) and FF 10 (on my buddy's PS2). The newest system I own is a dreamcast, and I played and loved Grandia II and Skies of Arcadia.

Crispy, how is your Genesis collection looking? I just recently bought a Genesis myself and went on a bit of a rampage with it. You can look at my collection from my sig, but the notables that I have are... Phantasy Star II-IV, Castlevania: Bloodlines, Contra Hard Corps (GREAT Game, by the way), Shining Force (on the Dreamcast Sega Hits disk, if you count that), and a host of other little known RPGs. I am having a real hard time getting into PSII, even though people love it, I think it lacks because it is too hard to get better equipment (takes forever to earn enough money). I don't play it as much as I should, but no one I knew as a kid had one, so it is a completely new experience for me.

What game did I like and now that I look back I don't understand why? I have only had my SNES for a few years, so I can't really answer that one, but I can answer that with an NES game. Who Framed Roger Rabbit was my favorite game for the NES. I tried to play it again a couple of ears ago, and I actually still liked it, but most people that I know hated that game. I actually never beat it, though. I never figured out how to damage the guy at the end. Anyone know?

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 1/30/2004 9:13:18 AM | Message Detail

My next big rpg for the next gen consoles is Tales of Symphonia for the GC. Hopefully it will be a classic just like TP, TD, and TD2 were.

Me too. Well, after Star Ocean 3, that is. The optimist in me hopes ToS sells well enough for Namco to bring Tales of Phantasia and Tales of Destiny 2j for PS2 out in the US. I remember recently hearing that new Tales games were announced in Japan: Tales of Legendia (sequel to ToS) and Tales of Truthia (sequel to ToE/ToD2US) as well as a fan disc and possibly another side story. Though those names do sound pretty silly. lol.

I'm currently not playing any roms, because I had a run-in with something called stupidity, and it's currently qwning me.

Well, it's better than deleting all the roms on your computer out of a fit of paranoia, then discovering about a month later the nice, convenient site that had every RPG you'd want to play for NES, SNES, and Genesis was shut down. Like me.

Family Guy > Futurama

For whatever reason, I just don't find Family Guy funny. Just doesn't appeal to me. I watched quite a few of the episodes even as Fox was shuffling them around, but I remember next to nothing about the series. Only a couple of the jokes.

Some of the fans don't really help me like it either. Some of the people I've seen on GameFAQs pretty much worship it, treat it as if it's the source of all humor, and then say anyone who disagrees that it's the funniest show ever is an idiot with no sense of humor.

The same sort of attitudes are the reason I couldn't stand to touch FF7 or Chrono Trigger for almost a year after coming to GameFAQs. Probably sounds quite absurd, though.

I hope I haven't started some awful war of off-topicness like the SNES vs. N64 that almost killed the last topic...

Crispy, how is your Genesis collection looking?

Actually, I think we've got some of the same games. Need to think though, since I have my list at home...

Sonic 1-3&K, Ecco 1 and 2, Sega 6-pak, Castlevania Bloodlines, Contra Hard Corps, Gunstar Heroes, Dynamite Headdy, Ristar, Shadowrun, Landstalker, Warriors of the Eternal Sun, Shining in the Darkness, Ys 3, Cyborg Justice, Streets of Rage 2, Street Fighter 2 Special Championship Edition, Shadow Dancer, Rocket Knight Adventures, General Chaos, Ghouls 'n Ghosts, and possibly a couple more I can't think of right off hand.

I tried getting Super Street Fighter 2, but someone tampered with the cartridge and replaced it with Slaughter Sport before trading it in. I didn't have the will to press start after seeing that fat man with a face in his stomach instead of the Capcom logo, and I felt... odd to own a game with a different game inside, so I traded it in almost immediately. Though from what I read in the reviews here, I'm not missing much (apparently it's a fighting game with no character select, no special moves, and half the characters are pallet swaps).

I'm still looking for the Phantasy Star games (though I beat PS1 and 2 on the Phantasy Star Collection, and I'm almost done with 3), and playing PS4 via emulator) and Shining Force games (despite beating SF1 on the Smash Pack), as well as Herzog Zwei, Rings of Power, and Warsong/Langrisser (among a number of other games that I can't think of at the moment). Phantasy Star 2 has one of my favorite plot twists and endings in a 16 bit game. Though the dungeons do irritate the hell out of me, particularly Ikuto (or whatever the name is), which probably has more pit traps on one floor than all of PS1's dungeons combined.

I like how I can get Genesis games pretty cheaply. And one store near has quite a few games in their original boxes. My favorite deal though is Warriors of the Eternal Sun. I payed 8 dollars for it, but I got the box, manual, and the hintbook too. Which is like 90 some pages. And I got it at Gamestop, of all places.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 1/30/2004 9:44:15 AM | Message Detail

As for your question Camden, it's probably either CT or BL.

Reason:

CT: I don't know how did I get into CT fanboyism anyways. However, I'm out of it now and I'm relieved that I am.

BL: Never comment on a story of an untranslated game in which is being translated and you're not sure of how the story goes.

There's actually a third game, which is Villgust... I'm not sure how the heck I wrote that review anyways... (ps. if you do look at it, please don't give it your score. I'm actually not sure how that review got positive scores... oh well...)

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/30/2004 1:14:52 PM | Message Detail

The only playstation RPGs I have played are FF 8 (on my PC) and FF 10 (on my buddy's PS2).

I'd give you my Playstation, but it's old and doesn't work well. Something inside started breaking, and I used tape to put it back together. I'm sure there were other alternatives, but they weren't cost efficient.

Tales of Legendia (sequel to ToS) and Tales of Truthia (sequel to ToE/ToD2US)

You're right about the names, they are pretty, well, silly isn't the word I want to use, but I don't feel like using stars.

Well, it's better than deleting all the roms on your computer out of a fit of paranoia,

It wasn't paranoia, but all my roms did go bye bye. Along with my save states and other programs. I'm currently trying to find everything again, but it's taking longer then I'd like.

For whatever reason, I just don't find Family Guy funny.

You're an idiot with no sense of humor. Yeah, you didn't see that one coming, did you?

Some of the people I've seen on GameFAQs pretty much worship it, treat it as if it's the source of all humor,

*blushes

ps. if you do look at it, please don't give it your score. I'm actually not sure how that review got positive scores

I thought that the review scoring system went down a while back, and hasn't been fixed yet?

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/31/2004 9:16:43 PM | Message Detail

So, I just finished Earthbound. Yeah, I really enjoyed that.

!!!<SPOILER ALERT>!!!

I totally lucked into the whole pray to beat Giygas thing. I actually never used that command before. I tried once and it didn't do anything special (and I am more of a hack and slash player anyway), so I never used it again. I also never used Poo's Mirror command. I tried a couple of times, but it never worked. Did I miss anything? I thought that the "Never-ending Story"-type use of the actual player was pretty cool, too. Especially at the end during the credits. I went ahead and leveled Ness up to 99 with the other characters in the high eighties, but I think it was a waste of time. I didn't notice any real significant gains in stats, and the enemies on the last level weren't any easier than when I got there (level 82).

End Spoilers

I am now officially... cough, cough... a fan... wait it's coming... fanb... I never thought I would ever say this... OK, enough, this game is great and deserves all the hype that it gets. The story really keeps you moving through and there are so many different characters. You'll know what I mean when you beat it and see the credits. WOW! Chalk another fanboy up for Earthbound. I am proud to be one of you. Now for Lufia II (and whatever Math Deity wants to play in the Players Club topic)...

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From: Camden | Posted: 1/31/2004 9:31:48 PM | Message Detail

I am proud to be one of you.

Hey hey hey! Speak for yourself! The only part of Earthbound that I'm a fanman of is the Mr.Saturn font, which I use in all my word programs right now. DO YOU WANT SLUMBER?!

I am, however, a fanman for Little Fighter 2 right now. Since downloading the game yesterday, I've put at least 12 hours into it. Simple, fighting bliss.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/31/2004 9:52:16 PM | Message Detail

I was actually a little under the influence of herbal inhalations when I first got to Saturn Valley and I couldn't for the life of me read that damn font. What is Little Fighter 2? Is that a Japanese game?

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From: Orkiedorkie | Posted: 1/31/2004 9:54:13 PM | Message Detail

Men, I'm searching for the title of a game but I can't find it! It's a RPG, where you can change your class from dark magician to red magician to monster tamer. Also If you change your class to thief you can walk through walls.

What is the name of this game?

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From: Fleck | Posted: 1/31/2004 9:55:47 PM | Message Detail

Is it American? It isn't striking a chord with me... Can you think of anything else?

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/1/2004 12:11:33 AM | Message Detail

In Final Fantasy 5, you can change jobs, and the thief job gives an ability that will allow you to find hidden passages in the walls. Is that the game you're thinking of?

Fleck: Little Fighter 2 is a korean game, where you pick a character, and you beat the crap out of people with him. There is only one or two things in the whole game that are korean, and even those are self explanatory.

You have defend, attack, jump, and the four movement buttons, which can be set to whatever you want. Using certain combinations of moves, like Defend-^-Attack or Defend->-Jump, you can use your characters specials, which take up MP. It's free to download, and it's a pretty fun game. I liked it enough to spam it in my sig.

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From: Orkiedorkie | Posted: 2/1/2004 2:20:01 AM | Message Detail

Final Fantasy 5 could be it, but as I remember in FF 5 the classes are not very many to chose from. And in my game it is/was!

Hmmz....also you had to go to a town where you could buy magic from the magic shop. You also had some sort of ship with a pirate

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From: math deity | Posted: 2/1/2004 3:35:44 AM | Message Detail

It sure sounds like FF5. You gain more classes as the game progresses. I suppose it might be dragon quest 5 or 6 but I doubt it.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/1/2004 2:29:53 PM | Message Detail

Yes, in Final Fantasy 5, you gain more classes as the game progresses, and you get the gender switching pirate.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 2/1/2004 3:15:31 PM | Message Detail

Yeah, that sound pretty much like FF5. Also, you can pass through walls as other characters, but being a thief makes hidden passages visible.

As for LF2, Camden it's a Chinese game. The official site has been translated into French, German, Spanish, and three other languages. Yet, I don't see Korean on there even as an option. Narrowing it down logically = It's definitely not made by Koreans.

Btw, try SCWU and see if you'll like it.

Official Site: http://alicuu.fc2web.com/ch_scwu_main_frame.htm

Where you can get it: (since official site's download is down) http://www.popcultureshock.com/news.php?id=444

Download the 1203R Update: (just unzip and cover over the older files) http://sap.edu.hk/~sap97lcl/scwu1203R_UPDATE.exe

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From: Delin | Posted: 2/2/2004 6:36:58 PM | Message Detail

One thing I really liked about Earthbound are the Mr. Saturns. Also I think that they are very well named. Here check this out...

Saturnalian

\Sat`ur*na"li*an\, a. 1. Of or pertaining to the Saturnalia.

2. Of unrestrained and intemperate jollity; riotously merry; dissolute. ``Saturnalian amusement.'' --Burke.

Describes them perfectly doesn't it?

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 2/2/2004 6:37:13 PM | Message Detail

Just a friendly little bump.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/2/2004 7:18:53 PM | Message Detail

Meh, the person who told me about Little Fighter 2 said it was korean, I couldn't tell. I'm still obsessed with it. In what other game can you hit a monk with a baseball I ask you?

*waits for someone to actually list a game

Holy hell, 68MB! It's going to take me a week to finish downloading! I hope my old ass computer can actually run it. Tech, do you know any system spec requirements I'm going to need?

I can't remember much about the Mr.Saturns, I just remember I loved the font.

Original font: http://www.zone38.net/font/

Redone font: http://starmen.net/mother2/desktop/fonts/

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/3/2004 8:36:34 AM | Message Detail

I am just updating my SNES RPG Beat List, so I figured I would go ahead and post it.

7th Saga - Haven't really played yet

Arcana - Played but haven't finished

Big Sky Trooper - Haven't played yet

Brain Lord - Played but haven't finished

Brandish - Played but haven't finished

Breath of Fire - Finished

Breath of Fire II - Played but haven't finished

Chrono Trigger - Finished

Dragon View - Finished

Drakkhen - Haven't played yet

Earthbound - Finished

E.V.O. - Finished

Equinox - Haven't played yet

Final Fantasy II - Finished

Final Fantasy III - Finished

Final Fantasy Mystic Quest - Finished

Illusion of Gaia - Finished

Lagoon - Haven't played yet

Lord of the Rings, Vol. 1 - Haven't really played it yet

Lufia - Finished

Lufia II - Played but haven't finished

Might and Magic III - Haven't really played it yet

Obitus - Played but haven't finished

Ogre Battle - Finished

Paladin's Quest - Finished

Robotrek - Played but haven't finished

Romancing SaGa III - Finished

Secret of Evermore - Haven't really played it yet

Secret of Mana - Played but haven't finished yet

Shadowrun - Finished

Soulblazer - Finished

Super Mario RPG - Finished

Tecmo Secret of the Stars - Haven't played yet

Twisted Tales of Spike McFang - Finished

Uncharted Waters - Played but haven't finished

Uncharted Waters, New Horizons - Finished (Two Stories)

Young Merlin - Finished

Y's III - Finished

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From: kain611 | Posted: 2/3/2004 1:57:10 PM | Message Detail

Good idea Fleck. Here's my rpg snes beat list.

7th Saga

Earthbound

Final Fantasy 2/4

Final Fantasy 3/6

Chrono Trigger (5x's)

Zelda lttp

Ogre Battle

Secret of Mana

um all I can think of....damn I have a lot to finish!

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/3/2004 2:25:22 PM | Message Detail

Fleck, whats the site for the first rpg archive? I don't really feel like typing my whole list back out, so I'm just going to modify it.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 2/3/2004 3:19:32 PM | Message Detail

www.geocities.com/dogrobot/snes_rpg.htm

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 2/4/2004 7:07:43 AM | Message Detail

I'm not sure on any system specs, but I believe you don't need a mighty video card just to run the game (looks at Lineage 2...cough). I think the game should run fine with a 500MHz+ processor. 64 mb of ram should be fine as well.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/4/2004 7:14:34 AM | Message Detail

What up, tech?

Kain, you actually beat 7th Saga? How long did it take you? Is it really as hard as everyone says it is? Tell me a little bit about it as I have put it off due to everyone's perception of it.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 2/4/2004 9:11:18 AM | Message Detail

Fleck, read a few posts above about a game called SCWU.

7th Saga.... Choose Valsu if you decide that you wish to beat it. Why?

Spoiler...

Valsu is invincible once he get his most powerful spell. With that spell he shouldn't be able to die unless the enemy's attack is above his max hp.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/4/2004 6:38:00 PM | Message Detail

I think the game should run fine with a 500MHz+ processor. 64 mb of ram should be fine as well.

Meh, 175 and 32. I guess it's going to be a wild guess whether or not I can handle it.

I just now noticed that 7th Saga was in the Top 10 snes message boards. When the hell did this happen? I don't remember what the characters names were, but I used the Cleric and the Demon when I played through.

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From: kain611 | Posted: 2/4/2004 9:04:42 PM | Message Detail

I played and beat 7th Saga back when it came out. I think we used the warrior and robot or robot and warrior can't really remember. Just know that after we beat it the first time we did it again and where pissed off that...

SPOILER

it has the same ending for everyone.(i believe.) Maybe I should play it again...*runs to neihbors to get cart back*...ah well hope Mystic Ark gets translated soon.

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From: math deity | Posted: 2/5/2004 12:45:38 AM | Message Detail

I have decided to give to give Dark Cloud another chance. This time I'm using faqs and it does appear that it has quite a deep weapons system (ala Vagrant Story).

The way you guys are talking perhaps the next beat-an-rpg challenge should be 7th Saga? Is Star Ocean ever going to end...? Should someone set a finish date perhaps?

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 2/5/2004 7:00:27 AM | Message Detail

Well, the graphics are suppose to be 256 colour (nicely done 256 colour though, obviously it went through photoshop, but one of the characters was done in Paint though). I don't think your video card will have any trouble, just that the game may have load times on your machine.

Valsu's the cleric.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/5/2004 8:49:25 AM | Message Detail

7th saga is really hard. :P well, not hard per say, but annoying. you REALLY have to spend time leveling up before EVERYTHING you do. it gets old. i love the game, and i love trying to get Valsu and Lejes on a team. :P but it's really annoying. and i dare someone to fight the last boss without a FAQ. get ready to die 4000+ times. you have to figure out which order to use the runes in and ACK it's annoying. there might be clues during the game that tell you which order to use them in, but if so, i missed them.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/5/2004 11:10:20 AM | Message Detail

and i love trying to get Valsu and Lejes on a team. :P

I was wondering if anyone was going to catch that one. Good job!

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/5/2004 2:57:31 PM | Message Detail

I am eventually going to tackle it, but I am trying to psyche myself up enough to actually putting it in the console. I actually have two complete copies of it and I need to trade the other one off or sell it. Aren't they going for $10-$20 complete on Ebay? (*goes to check*)

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From: kain611 | Posted: 2/5/2004 8:59:46 PM | Message Detail

Hey Fleck you said those are both *complete* copies? Maybe I'll snag one of ya seeing as how mine is just the cart now.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/6/2004 6:49:31 AM | Message Detail

Just e-mail me...

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/7/2004 11:18:10 AM | Message Detail

Tech: I finally finished downloading the first file, now all I have to do is wait for another three days while the second file downloads.

Reminds me of the time I downloaded Priston Tale on my poor little computer. 360MB or so takes a long time at my speed.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/7/2004 3:18:33 PM | Message Detail

You are a lot more patient than I am, Camden. I am in the process of buying a new computer so I can download some ROMs and get in on the Players Club games again (although I am in on Lord of the Rings because I own the cart). My dial-up service kicks you off after 20 minutes (part of it being free). So, I need a computer that is network compatible so I can use our DSL (since my wife's work is paying for it).

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/7/2004 3:42:38 PM | Message Detail

My dial-up service kicks you off after 20 minutes

Tech got to see how often I'm disconnected on mIRC. My internet, though not free, is cheaper than the usual rates. During the hours of 3:00PM and 11:00PM, I usually can't stay connected for more than five minutes at a time. Also, since my 56k normally runs about 1.5kb a second during those hours, downloading is not a fun experience. Here is my usual Gamefaqs experience.

*Gamefaqs loads, I click Boards

*disconnected, take 1 minute to reconnect

*get to boards list, look for new messages

*click a board

*disconnected, take 1 minute to reconnect

*click rpg topic, get disconnected before the page loads all the way, take 1 minute to reconnect

*reconnect fails, I'm told to double click the icon again

*take 1 minute to reconnect

*reload rpg topic, click Last Page

*disconnected, take 1 minute to reconnect

*reload page, read messages

*while reading, disconnected, take 1 minute to reconnect

*click Post New Message, type message, click Preview and Spellcheck Message

*get disconnected in the middle, take 1 minute to reconnect

*hit the back button, and I retype my message

*hit Preview and Spellcheck, then playing it smart, wait at the next page until I'm disconnected again

*take 1 minute to reconnect

*click Post New Message

*disconnected, take 1 minute to reconnect

*repeat for each message I want to post

Sounds like fun, huh? By the way, it's probably common knowledge to everyone else, but how the hell do you get free internet?

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/7/2004 4:47:51 PM | Message Detail

netzero has a free service, doesn't it?

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/7/2004 9:44:53 PM | Message Detail

netzero has a free service, doesn't it?

I know Netzero used to have a free service, but they charge you long-distance fees if you don't live within a certain area of one of their branches, or something like that. Wouldn't you know, I don't live in one of those areas.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/7/2004 10:29:40 PM | Message Detail

I still log on to my old college server. I just get a new kid's username and password every semester from my old fraternity, save it into my computer, log on, and voila... Free internet!

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 2/8/2004 6:18:06 AM | Message Detail

Btw Camden, once you get the first file (not the update) you can start playing... The second file is just an add-on.

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From: Delin | Posted: 2/8/2004 9:16:57 AM | Message Detail

That's the way to show your college you care, Fleck.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/9/2004 1:04:37 PM | Message Detail

Alright, conversation time. Put up your flame shields and let's get to crackin' at each other.

What is the one SNES RPG that everyone loves that you just don't understand where all the hype is coming from?

Mine is Breath of Fire II. I couldn't get into that game no matter how hard I tried. I felt like they tried to introduce too much and, in turn, left too much unfinished or unexplored. For example, the town that you get to build... Such a great idea that was fell way short of what could have been. You walk around aimlessly talking to random strangers, answer yes to the wrong guy, and you are stuck hunting bears for the rest of the game? That sucks. You should be able to switch them out because some are better used early in the game and then aren't worth crap later. I know it is a small thing, but it isn't the only thing. I thought the story was grossly cut in most places and left you hanging not knowing where to go next. The random encounters were annoyingly high and most of the time (especially later in the game) they didn't give you enough experience to compensate for the monsters' difficulty (or to gain level fast enough). Just a few things I was upset about with this game.

What are yours?

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/9/2004 1:15:22 PM | Message Detail

yall have probably seen me say this in other topics, so i won't go into detail... but Earthbound is that game for me. bleh on that game.

and i wasn't majorly impressed with BoF2, either... though i seem to have liked it a bit more than you did, Fleck.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 2/9/2004 2:08:33 PM | Message Detail

I can't get into Earthbound either. SMRPG is another game that I couldn't get into.

Concerning BoF2, I think it happens in the early stage of the game where you have to do A LOT of backtracking by foot. I'm not sure but it is during those times where I'm confused about what to do next. I actually figured it out (eventually :P) without using a FAQ, but it was pain... Regarding its scripts, I heard from several people saying that it probably is one of the worst professional game translation done. I also agreed that they should've made the game longer and go into some of the story that seems a bit too short (like Ryu's sister after you realizing that she is Ryu's sister, they could've expanded that). Of course, when I played the game I think I got the not so good ending (aka Ryu kills his dad) but I've never seen the so called best ending anyways (I was actually satisfied with the ending that I saw despite the story do need some work, and I don't think I got the guts and the time to replay the game again). Monster wise, I do agree that the later monster was too hard for your levels (even with the secret island with monsters giving you mass exp didn't help much). And from what I played I didn't get any group healing spells (cough...if i'm correct BoF 1 didn't have those as well) which made battles rather difficult.

Ps. Personally, I think the bad ending in BoF 1 was harder to get than the good ending. I actually beat the last boss with only the first set of dragon skills (no cheats either). The last transformation literally had the capability of wiping anything out (duh, max hp with 999 dmg...and you can heal yourself in dragon form too compared to the later BoFs) and stay in it until battle ends.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/9/2004 2:41:49 PM | Message Detail

SMRPG was fun, i thought. it didn't hook me like Lufia or ToP or FFIII, but i got into it enough to have fun with it. it wasn't like other games that i've had to force myself to keep playing every single minute up until the end, just so i can say i've beaten it.

and i got the same ending you did, Tech... what's the good ending like?

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/9/2004 2:54:10 PM | Message Detail

I actually had fun playing SMRPG, but Smithy at the end was WAY too easy. I have talked about this before maybe in the first thread that I was fighting and I had just started getting that groove that you can get into when fighting bosses where you are giving more than you are taking and healing before any real threat, and... BOOM! It's over. I was so disappointed that it wasn't harder. I actually don't remember many of the bosses being very hard in that game, but it kept me entertained. Having Bowser in your party was very cool.

Earthbound is a game that I just beat and you can read me earlier post about becoming a fanb... no, I'm not going to say it this time either. I really enjoyed that game, mainly because I can't think of another game like it... ever. The care that the programmers took to give every NPC something funny or witty to say was great because it made you want to talk to everybody and spend more time with the game. I am usually not like that. I usually skip all the NPC chatter because it never helps and it is usually mindless. But, in Earthbound it was neat because you never knew when the next kid was going to talk about farting or creaming their pants at a rock band, etc. I thought it was a great game.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/9/2004 3:05:15 PM | Message Detail

all that humorous chatter is all well and good, but not for an RPG... at least not for my tastes. an RPG should be serious overall, with a few comical points for relief and to add to the overall feel of the game... no comical overall, with a few serious points just so there could be a plot somewhere in the mix.

i'm not saying it was a bad game, i'm just saying i didn't like it. at all. a couple posts ago i mentioned that some games i've had to force myself to keep playing every single minute just so i could say i've beaten the game. but i couldn't even force myself to play this game... Earthbound to me is just the epitome of what an RPG shouldn't be (as far as the plot/overall feeling goes).

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 2/9/2004 6:06:12 PM | Message Detail

I liked BoF2. I thought the characters were better balanced than BoF1, and generally more interesting dungeons. Plus it has my favorite Ryu, my favorite Nina, and Katt. :) The whole BoF series is a bit unpolished and filled with damn plot holes, IMO (except for BoF5).

And about the "good" ending... Well, I got the bad ending too. And I liked it alright, even though it meant that Ryu and Katt couldn't conceive some sort of half-dragon half worren love child so that a future BoF could have a winged, blue furred catgirl... Not that I'd think about things like that... >_> <_<

The good ending is something like this:

*spoilers*

Garner or whatever his name goes back to TownShip, and he uses his body to power a machine (like the one he was trapped in) under the city in order to make it fly. And then at the end of the game, TownShip drops down on top of the mountain to seal the gate instead of Ryu transforming permanently into the Kaiser dragon. But I haven't gotten this ending yet, so that's all I know.

*end spoilers*

For me the game I don't see the hype in is Chrono Trigger. I've already posted more than enough stuff about the game already, so I'll spare you the rambling. :)

Oh, and I like funny/weird things. Like Douglas Adams books, Engrish, and various humorous or strange games (EB, Lunar Complete, Mario RPG games, Mischief Makers, Guilty Gear etc.). And I most certainly prefer games that take a lighthearted approach over those that take themselves too seriously, choke you with fifteen levels of symbolism, and talk down on you like you're some dim idiot that can't possibly grasp the creator's grand vision. >:|

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From: kain611 | Posted: 2/9/2004 6:32:18 PM | Message Detail

The one RPG that i couldn't get into was that Drakken crap. I just couldn't do it...after the fifteenth time or so I fell into a pond and drowned it got old. Also one other one that I couldn't make myself play was Eye of the Beholder...

pure utter crapola... on another side I loved Earthbound and enjoyed what little bits I've played of SMRPG and Lufia. I do need to get playing BoF 1 & 2 and finish them...I still never finished BoF 3 I bought that the day I bought the first Gran Turismo..those were some memories. Me, my PS1, some Mt. Dew and no one else. Damn I need to meet some people 8:)

On another topic have any of you ever had the joy of playing Faslei! for the Neo Geo Pocket?(color) It is an absolute blast..what a great concept for a strategy game. If you don't mind emulation try it if you liked the Front Mission series or anything dealing with mechs.

One last thing I'll try to start lotr tomorrow night after work. Haven't had much time lately been snowmobiling and working as well as trying to save money to pickup Panzer Dragoon Saga. Laters all.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/9/2004 6:36:31 PM | Message Detail

And I most certainly prefer games that take a lighthearted approach over those that take themselves too seriously, choke you with fifteen levels of symbolism, and talk down on you like you're some dim idiot that can't possibly grasp the creator's grand vision. >:|

despite what i said earlier, i do totally agree with you there... though i can't think of many games like this yet. it kinda seems to me that current video game trends are heading in that direction though.

anyways, yeah i think FFIII was real close to crossing that "too-serious" line, especially in the second half of the game. but i still loved it. and i'd much rather have a game that seems a little too serious to me than a game that seems a little too silly.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/9/2004 6:53:40 PM | Message Detail

What are yours?

SMRPG... but since I haven't read any of the other posts in this topic after this one, I don't know if anyone else has already said it.

SMRPG is another game that I couldn't get into.

****. I knew I wouldn't be the first. See what your Rate this Game topic did to me, Fleck? It's brought out my pure and wholesome hate for games. And it's your fault.

no, I'm not going to say it this time

Yay!

all that humorous chatter is all well and good, but not for an RPG...

Bastard!

at least not for my tastes.

Well, I'll take two thirds of that bastard back. You can choose which two letters you want.

an RPG should be serious overall, with a few comical points for relief and to add to the overall feel of the game...

Why do rpgs have to be serious? I grow tired of the same old save the world from the bad guy who has somehow inherited uber-powers and can't be stopped, until the boring and bland hero somehow finds powers deep inside himself to combat the evil that's taking over the world, and to eventually succeed in defeating them.

Cut to some lame ass ending where everyone lives happily ever after. I'm still waiting for an rpg where after you beat the final boss, he just gets pissed and blows the world up. That's my kind of ending.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/9/2004 7:07:13 PM | Message Detail

I grow tired of the same old save the world from the bad guy who has somehow inherited uber-powers and can't be stopped, until the boring and bland hero somehow finds powers deep inside himself to combat the evil that's taking over the world, and to eventually succeed in defeating them.

i haven't ever finished Earthbound, and i certainly can't remember who/what the final boss was, but doesn't EB fall mostly into this same category? doesn't every RPG? well, i know there are exceptions, but most of them are like this...

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 2/9/2004 7:31:20 PM | Message Detail

Well, the Phantasy Star 2 ending was very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very far from happy. The whole game was pretty dark for its time...

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/9/2004 8:22:45 PM | Message Detail

i haven't ever finished Earthbound, and i certainly can't remember who/what the final boss was, but doesn't EB fall mostly into this same category?

Yes, I didn't say that it was any different. I was commenting on how every game has basically the same premise. I'd like to see a game based on the hero tracking down his best friend because he was hitting on the hero's girlfriend. The whole point of the game would be to just beat the hell out of your once good friend. No saving the world from your friend, just putting a few bullets in his ass.

doesn't every RPG?

Most, yes. If there were a lot of unique ones, no one would ever feel the need to complain about the lack of originality. If I had any kind of resolve at all, I'd finish a game on rpgmaker2k. I just downloaded it again a month or two ago, but have yet to actually install it. Meh.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 2/10/2004 7:21:02 AM | Message Detail

Drakkhen? When did people start liking that game anyways? Dragon View is a different story though. Far surpassed its prequel.

RPGs that doesn't save the world eh? Solid Runner is one, but the game has more of a dark atmosphere. Madou Monogatari would be your non-serious RPG where you don't save the world. (you try to graduate kindergarden -.-''')

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/10/2004 8:13:39 AM | Message Detail

See, I thought Earthbound accomplished that with all the witty banter. It was almost like the programmers were making fun of RPGs in general. Take the same, beaten-down, generic story line (boy wakes up and realizes that he has to save the world from a big ugly mean guy that is all-powerful), and throw in all the most unlikely jokes and puns. The monsters were all crazy characters like hippies and toasters, and there were the also drugged up fantasy characters like the Saturns. Now, I'm not saying that there weren't serious moments, too, because every time I agreed to take a drink of tea or coffee, I knew to grab a pillow. But, they seemed to fall at the right moments. I don't know. I really liked Earthbound, but I am not one to really try to defend a game like I have been with this so I am going to stop.

Drakkhen was terrible... but everyone knows that. Dragon View Rocks, though (to agree with Tech). I never remembered hearing any hype about Drakkhen or Eye of the Beholder, but maybe I'm wrong.

I do understand how SMRPG could fall into this category for people, though. It really was pretty short and WAY too easy.

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From: Delin | Posted: 2/10/2004 5:06:19 PM | Message Detail

I miss a day and conversation returns. I bought Half-Life over the weekend and have been playing Team Fortress almost non-stop. I'm nearly hopelessly addicted. Anyway...

So far the only RPG that I just couldn't get into was, don't hurt me, Illusion of Gaia. I don't know what it was about the game that made me not like it. I just couldn't. I still play it sometimes to try to like it and I fail. I think part of the reason I don't like it is that some of the story triggers are hard to find and if you don't find the triggers you don't progress. For some reason IoG is the one game I don't want to use a FAQ on. Another thing I didn't like is that the story just seemed a little dry.

Earthbound I enjoyed quite a bit because the game didn't take itself seriously, so doing what needed to be done was a different type of fun then, say, FF3.

SMWRPG does have alot of hype around it. I still thought it was a very fun game, but I also don't think that it has lived up to it's hype. There were lot's of cool elements to it, but overall it just wasn't spectacular (I'm rambling aren't I). Story was good, bosses were par, and characters were interesting. One thing I did like was the fact that Mario didn't speak and that everyone responded to that. "Mario play charades to tell us"; "Mario why won't you talk to me?", etc.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/10/2004 6:19:33 PM | Message Detail

Illusion of Gaia i played through once, and i can't remember a thing about it. it's just not very memorable for me because it's not my type of game. although i did think it was cool that alot of it had to do with old native american folklore. or at least some of it did... like i said, i can't really remember the game.

i guess you're right about Earthbound being a break from the traditional serious RPG, Delin. but i guess the reason i don't like it is because when i want a break from the traditional serious RPG, i break out a fighting game or some type of action game or i just don't play games at all... because when i need a break from serious RPGs, i need a break from all RPGs. i dunno, i guess i'm just the type of guy who never gets tired of a good serious 'save-the-world' type of plot, as long as it's executed well.

wow i totally rambled... cool, two rambling posts in a row! *highfives Delin*

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/10/2004 6:30:20 PM | Message Detail

I like Illusion of Gaia, but I haven't played it in the longest time. I don't really remember anything about it, except that I got pissed at the end because I missed a single one of those red jewels. If I missed a lot, it wouldn't have been so bad, but I didn't feel like replaying the whole game for a single jewel. Did anyone here actually get all of them? If anyone did, what exactly do you get? My friend said you got to go to a secret dungeon at the end of the game, but his save had been conveniently erased, so I've never really known.

Though it's not rpg related, I still think it's pretty cool. We were cleaning out the garage today, and I found a box that had a bunch of toys from when I was a kid in it. There was a complete set of those superballs that look like pool balls. I'm currently devising how I want to make a minirack to hold them.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 2/10/2004 7:17:04 PM | Message Detail

If you get all the red gems in Illusion of Gaia, you go to a bonus dungeon with ludicrously overpowered enemies, and fight an insanely tough version of the first boss from Soulblazer (Strong Arm or whatever).

I never was able to beat him, but I heard you only get a message telling you to go back to the tower and beat the game.

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From: q 3 | Posted: 2/10/2004 10:26:39 PM | Message Detail

I'm still waiting for an rpg where after you beat the final boss, he just gets pissed and blows the world up. That's my kind of ending.

Live A Live does that, sort of. Though it's not the "best" ending.

From: Camden | Posted: 2/10/2004 11:15:30 PM | Message Detail

So far on Live a Live I've only finished one quest. I'm currently stuck in the caveman scenario, but I'm being smashed by the secret mammoth boss. I refuse to go on without beating him, but seeing as I die before I even reach him half of the time, I don't see it happening.

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From: q 3 | Posted: 2/11/2004 12:26:57 PM | Message Detail

Heh. The secret mammoth boss is probably the only thing I've never done in that game. Good luck...

From: Fleck | Posted: 2/12/2004 8:22:16 AM | Message Detail

We have had this discussion before, but Solid Arm in Illusion of Gaia (the boss you get to fight when you collect all the gems) is the hardest boss in a SNES RPG. That thing was impossible. I still have my save and have only been able to beat it once and it was on a glitch where I got stuck behind him and didn't take any damage for some reason. I just kept hitting.

On another note, I have still not gotten my computer back, so I haven't been able to play any ROMs, but I have never played Live-A-Live. Can anyone explain it to me? I have heard very good things about it and would like to play it someday (maybe in the player's club *hint, hint*).

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From: cloudsss | Posted: 2/12/2004 11:21:46 AM | Message Detail

I'm still waiting for an rpg where after you beat the final boss, he just gets pissed and blows the world up. That's my kind of ending.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/12/2004 3:46:37 PM | Message Detail

havent you ever played ff3. thats sort of like that

Yeah, except for the fact that all your people miraculously survive, reunite, and eventually defeat him. I want the boss to completely blow up the world, disintegration, implosion, something that leaves no trace of a planet at all. Then the screen shows "Game Over", and you've officially "won".

Live a Live let's you choose one of seven characters, each from a different time period. There's a Cowboy, a Ninja, a Caveman, a Wrestler, a Robot, and two others I don't exactly remember. Each character has their own quest, then from what I understand, they all meet up for one final quest.

The battles are like an rpg on a tactics style grid. I can't seem to find the words to describe it, but it's easy to get the hang of.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 2/12/2004 5:06:29 PM | Message Detail

As I already said, Phantasy Star 2 is the closest thing you get to that "bad" ending you speak of, Camden.

*spoilers*

After finding out who the true villians are after beating the final boss, the heroes are seriously pissed off and rush them with enraged battle cries. Then it cuts away, with a simple quote from Rolf before the credits roll: "I wonder what the end days will bring..."

Judging from what I've played of the later games, both sides slaughtered each other, since neither were ever heard from again. Which is entirely plausible due to all the overwhelming tragedies that occur over the course of the game.

Or at least it was the beginning of a major war.

(A simplification of one of the biggest and most unexpected plot twists in a 16 bit game, but I don't want to spoil it completely...)

*end spoilers*

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From: Delin | Posted: 2/12/2004 5:51:09 PM | Message Detail

I think designers were and still are afraid of doing a game where everyone good dies and/or the bad guy "wins" (aka destroys the world). I think that it would be viewed as a big let down. I can imagine people saying, "I spent X hours playing only to lose". It's just our mind set. Most, if not all, of us think that in order to have a decent ending it needs to be happy or, at the very least, neutral. Look at movies, books, TV shows. They all need to have a happy ending. Now, I'll admit that in some of those genres there are situations where it isn't happy or neutral and the bad guy wins, but those are exceptions and are usually not heard about too much.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/12/2004 6:04:04 PM | Message Detail

"I spent X hours playing only to lose". It's just our mind set. Most, if not all, of us think that in order to have a decent ending it needs to be happy or, at the very least, neutral. Look at movies, books, TV shows. They all need to have a happy ending. Now, I'll admit that in some of those genres there are situations where it isn't happy or neutral and the bad guy wins, but those are exceptions and are usually not heard about too much.

True, all those types of media have a few exceptions to the rules, but the ones that do have different endings, ones where they prove a moral point about how the world isn't one big happy orgy, are usually good. I'd point out examples, but I'm not thinking of any at the moment.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/12/2004 6:08:09 PM | Message Detail

the kind of ending i like most is when there is a tragic loss to the main party of some kind. for example, in Suikoden 2, the main char loses his best friend Joey because the Sword and Shield runes are destined to fight. i remember playing that entire game through the second time, wanting so badly that they could come back together in some ways. but the runes just wouldn't let them. there were points were the old Joey would hold the rune back and let his best friend live, but he never could control the rune completely. that's what made that game great for me. the bittersweetness of the entire plot. it was great.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/12/2004 6:11:09 PM | Message Detail

*playing that entire game through the FIRST time

sorry, couldn't let that typo slide lol

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/12/2004 6:25:15 PM | Message Detail

<Possible Spoilers>

I actually collected all the stars on my first playthrough, and reunited them at the end of the game. It's too bad that I hated him at that point for having such misguided ideas on how to make a better world.

Anyways, I wouldn't like it if something bad happened in Suikoden, because then Stallion would die. Stallion can't die, it wouldn't be right.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/12/2004 6:32:34 PM | Message Detail

oh i didn't know you could reunite them. i never played it with a walkthrough. that's cool. well, as much as i'd probably say i'd rather have that happy ending, it's probably more enjoyable overall to have a bittersweet ending... to me, anyways.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/12/2004 7:00:26 PM | Message Detail

You don't get to play as him much after you get him, I believe you get to walk through three or four screens, and then the ending takes over again.

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From: Delin | Posted: 2/13/2004 1:30:10 PM | Message Detail

but I'm not thinking of any at the moment.

They're all plays and they are all Shakespeare, but Macbeth, Julius Caesar, and Romeo and Juliet are a few examples.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/13/2004 5:04:59 PM | Message Detail

I've never finished anything Shakespeare has written. I'm one of those people who gets pissed because he can't figure out half of the words, then instead of trying to figure them out, I just give up and read something else.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/13/2004 11:03:01 PM | Message Detail

I just thought I would point this out (not that it really matters), but I was perusing the NES board (I never post there, though, hmmm, don't know why *sidetrack, sorry*) and there are a lot of people that were bashing the SNES board because of all the talk about RPGs on this board. I know this isn't the right forum for this since most of the people who read or post in this thread like these games (SNES RPGs), but I think it sucks that people are driven away from a board just because people like to discuss a certain genre of game a lot. I certainly understand that there are quite a few posts (especially lately) that deal with SNES RPGs, but I don't think that there are any more than any other genre or topic. There are certainly more posts about "Rate my find" or "Where can I buy XYZ" than there are RPG topics (waits for Camden to count them to prove me wrong). I don't know, it's late and it just kind of got to me.

Whatever.

One2 is the coolest poster on the SNES board!!!!

I'm a Snerd!!!

Remember the Alamo!!!

*end drunken rant..........................................NOW!*

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/13/2004 11:15:55 PM | Message Detail

(waits for Camden to count them to prove me wrong)

Hell no I'm not going to go count topics! The only thing I like to do more than proving someone wrong is not doing anything at all. I'll have to go take a gander at this nes topic, and possibly troll in it until someone decides to start marking me.

Actually, I think I will go count those topics :P

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/13/2004 11:20:48 PM | Message Detail

OK, here I come... (Wow, that sounds disgusting)

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/13/2004 11:26:35 PM | Message Detail

Here are notable quotes if you don't want to take the time to look:

From: alyspeach | Posted: 2/4/2004 3:47:03 PM | Message Detail

Unless you are only a SNES RPG'er, you'll never be accepted at the SNES board.

From: lordjers | Posted: 2/10/2004 7:37:53 PM | Message Detail

The SNES board is so wasted with all that RPG discussion.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/13/2004 11:30:35 PM | Message Detail

I realize that it might look like I am trying to start some kind of stupid war, but I'm not. (*hears Independence Day music in the background* *Cool War speech begins* *Crowd starts screaming* *"Tonight is our Independence Night!"*)

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/14/2004 12:00:45 AM | Message Detail

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/14/2004 12:35:30 AM | Message Detail

In the above topic, I said things about Flecks two examples, but after reading the entire topic in question, I see that most of the people, instead of bashing rpgs, just say something along the lines of "There are other things besides rpgs." So I'm reposting my message with certain comments edited out. I still disagree with their general consensus of Genesis>Snes. The genesis has a few gems, but I can't compare it's entire library to the sness at all.

Here is my rpg topic rundown. Note that I didn't include topics that CAN be about rpgs, but CAN also be about something else. Such as Flecks Ratings topics. Next to the topics abbreviated name is the amount of posts in it.

RPG Topic - 354

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=913&topic=11911606

RPG Club - 359

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=913&topic=11876040

Just found Final Fantasy 3 - 29

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=913&topic=12527539

Lord of the Rings - 9

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=913&topic=12640148

What Don't You Like About Chrono Trigger - 45

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=913&topic=12524408

Secret of Evermore and Mystic Quest received? - 31

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=913&topic=12394534

RPG Backgrounds - 2

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=913&topic=12632215

Illusion of Gaia Help - 5

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=913&topic=12634223

Final Fantasy MQ - 28

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=913&topic=12578375

Recommend next RPG - 21

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=913&topic=12597812

Official Top 50 Snes RPGs - 35

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=913&topic=12435511

Chrono Trigger for $8 - 17

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=913&topic=12580286

Terranigma - 15

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=913&topic=12563234

Secret of Mana - 4

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=913&topic=12547540

FF2 or FF3 - 10

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=913&topic=12586508

Chrono Trigger for $29.99 - 8

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=913&topic=12496269

Romancing Saga Question - 4

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=913&topic=12584859

Passed up Secret of Mana - 11

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=913&topic=12577999

Japanese Chrono Trigger - 7

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=913&topic=12566155

Views on Secret of Evermore - 14

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=913&topic=12509293

Out of 121 topics on snes general, 20 are about rpgs. 4/24 of the topics are rpg related.

Out of the 2390 posts on snes general, 1008 are about rpgs. 14/24 of the posts are rpg related.

Topic-wise we aren't that bad, but we skyrocketed in posts. Of course, the two 350+ rpg topics didn't hurt...

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 2/14/2004 6:00:52 AM | Message Detail

"From: alyspeach | Posted: 2/4/2004 3:47:03 PM | Message Detail

Unless you are only a SNES RPG'er, you'll never be accepted at the SNES board."

That's generalization, and he's saying it as if it's a fact. If I didn't like Skyblazer that much I wouldn't have wrote a boss faq about it. Strike Gunner STG is another notable mention. It's a space shooter that I used to play with one of my friends. It's not like I solely stick myself to rpgs.

"From: lordjers | Posted: 2/10/2004 7:37:53 PM | Message Detail

The SNES board is so wasted with all that RPG discussion."

That's what this topic was originally for, which is to concentrate rpg discusssions in as few topic as possible so people won't think this board is infested wtih rpg discussions. Although I think people are thinking more on the line of us posting here as elitists...

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From: Delin | Posted: 2/14/2004 6:24:44 AM | Message Detail

We are elitest. Heh. That humorous. Don't know where they got that idea from. Anyone who wishes to talk about their favorite RPG can come here and do so. We haven't forced anyone out of the discussion since the-one-who-shan't-be-named. I think people are afraid of us. I don't know why. Most of us have openly admitted to being fat computer geeks (*points to self*). I'd go over to NES general and give them a piece of my mind, but I just woke up and I need to get the brain working at capacity with a little Half-Life (yes, I'm still addicted).

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/14/2004 9:23:42 AM | Message Detail

Wow, was I on a rant last night! I knew you would count them!!! Ok, so 1/6 of the topics talk about RPGs and 5/12 of the posts (divided your totals). The posts are a little skewed because of the RPG topic, you are right, but there were quite a few of our posts that didn't even talk about SNES RPGs. They were just conversation about other games and such, so... Anyway, it doesn't matter. I agree with Delin that people seem to be scared of us for some reason and I wish it weren't so, but whatever. I post in quite a few topics beside my own and try to keep certain topics active. (tried to find the Anti-RPG topic to bump it... but it's gone). Oh well, as far as this board goes, I'm not going anywhere and I am going to try to be a little more active in other boards as well. I actually frequent quite a few but never post.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/14/2004 4:22:02 PM | Message Detail

Most of us have openly admitted to being fat computer geeks (*points to self*).

Heh, I'm fatter than you! Gee, who would have thought I'd ever say that with such enthusiasm?

*looks at sig

Oh...

Fleck, I post in other boards as well, but only once or twice a week. At the height of my posts, I had 450+ active messages, with about 375 of them on snes general. I noticed that at one point I had the last post on the top 20 or so topics on the board, so I'm trying not to post all over the place right now. My active messages is down to about 280, with about 240 of them on snes general. Though I have about 100 just in this topic...

These are the boards currently in my favorites list:

Message Board Announcements, Emerald Dragon, Heroes of Might and Magic 3, USL, How to be a Complete Bastard, Sengoku Musou, Megaman Anniversary Collection, Rupert and the Toy Makers Party, Star Ocean: Till the end of Time, Front Mission 4, Suikoden 4, Super Nintendo General, PotD, RI, LUE, Summer 2003 Contest, Three Kingdoms Social, Brilliant, Pie, Spork, Jenny, Spatula, Semprini, Eggbeater, Board 250.

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From: kain611 | Posted: 2/14/2004 6:42:59 PM | Message Detail

So who the heck is still playing lotr? I just can't get into it. I think I'm going to rush through Suikoden so I can get all 108 stars before I start my new game of Suikoden II. Then when I get all 108 there I'm heading in to Suikoden III...Jesus I talk to much.

That should be enough silence. Anyway I may burn through Chaos World on the NES while you guys finish lotr. Whos next to pick? Techmaster? Whats he going to choose....................................... ............ ........................ .................... ......................... ........................................... .............. .............................. ............................ ............................................... ............ ............................... ........................... ..................... ..................................... .................................... .... .................. ........................ ................... ..... .catch ya round.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/14/2004 11:44:42 PM | Message Detail

And another one bites the dust...

Camden, I only have around 175 active posts, and 150 of those are on this board. I lurk in the Classic gaming board, but I have yet to post there. I hang around the NES board because the topics seem to move faster and there are more of them (albeit, there are more crap topics, too). I am one of those people that will only post if someone hasn't already said what I want to say. I visit almost every thread on this board (with the exception of specific game topics that I don't enjoy), but most of the time the poster's question has been answered or there is so much circular rhetoric that I just keep out of it.

If you read the thread on the NES board that talked about the quality of posts lacking, I feel that there is a lot of that on this board as well. I know that these things are cyclical and things will come around, but It saddens me that there are only a few of us that actually contribute anymore. Take out garbage like my rating and purchase topics and others like them and there were really only three topics that actually spawned real discussion (with the exception of people skewing off topic and fighting about Asian diseases). One of those topics (the Anti-RPG topic) is dead now.

I am drunk again, and I tend to ramble when under the influence of alcohol and the herbal refreshment of da Erf, so pardon me if all this just seems stupid and Elitist (the word that seems to be popping up a lot lately), but I don't come to these boards to rate people's collections or tell someone the name of a game that they can't remember. I come here to chat with people with similar interests as me and have a good time doing it. It shouldn't get me down that a bunch of people on some message board on the internet only want to talk about those kind of little things (and I know there are a lot of thirteen year olds that don't really know much about these games except that they have downloaded them for free), but it does sometimes.

I am rambling on again, so I'll stop getting all heavy and lighten up a bit. Sorry.

What game(s) is/are everyone playing right now?

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/15/2004 12:25:57 AM | Message Detail

I am one of those people that will only post if someone hasn't already said what I want to say.

Same here, but if I find someone that strongly disagrees with me, I'll post anyways, just so I can get my two cents in.

I visit almost every thread on this board (with the exception of specific game topics that I don't enjoy),

I visit all of them, even specific game topics, but I don't post in very many of them anymore.

Take out garbage like my rating and purchase topics and others like them and there were really only three topics that actually spawned real discussion

Heh, nothing's funnier than when someone calls something they created garbage. Gamefaqs for some reason won't make snes general and other boards for systems equivalent of it's age social, so I'm sure there's a few people who don't post here, just because they want to shoot the breeze instead of worrying about staying on-topic.

but I don't come to these boards to rate people's collections or tell someone the name of a game that they can't remember.

When I rate someones collection, I just ask them if they have all the games they want, and if they do, I give them a 10/10. I try to help people with game names, but I'm rarely right. I bet my topic would get deleted if I made an Alt+ Your Karma topic on snes general.

I come here to chat with people with similar interests as me and have a good time doing it. It shouldn't get me down that a bunch of people on some message board on the internet only want to talk about those kind of little things

We can always claim an unused board, and shift our topics over there. I'm not sure if everyone would follow though, because some people do like to rate collections and argue Final Fantasy 2 against Final Fantasy 3. We're elitists right?

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/gentopic.asp?board=32207

What game(s) is/are everyone playing right now?

Jesus, too damn many. I just started Lord of the Rings, I've been playing Dynasty Warriors 4:XL, Septerra Core, Megaman Legends 2, Unlimited Saga, Fire Emblem, Sword of Mana, Heroes of Might and Magic 3, Little Fighter 2, Diablo 2. I also just started Final Fantasy 4 on the Playstation collection, and I'm once again trying to struggle through the dialogue on a few of my imports. I'm sure there's others I'm not thinking of.

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From: Rune420 | Posted: 2/15/2004 12:38:58 AM | Message Detail

Hrmmmmmmmmm...

*The RPG topic-god has cometh#

Who would win in a battle?(battle-wise not character-wise)

Any character is accepted Playable, non-playable,enemy,random villager etc.

Now I know this is a little unfair for games like Illusion of gaia...but tough ^_^

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From: Rune420 | Posted: 2/15/2004 12:45:51 AM | Message Detail

Btw only SNES rpgs....anyway I choose Locke from ff6.....Quick+offeringxGenji Glove+ Illumina&Hawkeye+Back row=................about 160000 damage a turn ^_^

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 2/15/2004 5:17:19 AM | Message Detail

Sorry Rune, but last time something like this was brought up whoever used Locke never tried to accept his defeat even if his defeat is possible.

Ex. Neo Dhaos and apparently he only becomes visible (otherwise he's invincible) when Locke's charging his time bar. Locke's dead meat then no matter how much damage he can dish out. (this is a difference in battle system, thus it doesn't really make things fair does it?)

That's all I'm going to say on this topic.

As for Fleck's question, BoF4 would be the only rpg I'm really playing right now.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 2/15/2004 7:24:08 AM | Message Detail

What game(s) is/are everyone playing right now?

More like what am I not playing.

I'm mostly sinking my time into Guilty Gear X2, since I don't have a lot of time to get into RPGs and what not due to classes. (I usually go in about 8 or 9, and often don't get home until 5 or 6.) Though I started .hack//Infection, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, Tactics Ogre: Knights of Lodis, Car Battler Joe, etc. fairly recently.

I'm trying to keep things fairly organized.

I want to finish Romancing SaGa 3 before getting back to SaGa Frontier and Unlimited SaGa.

I want to finish Wild Arms 2 before starting Wild Arms 3.

I want to finish Planescape: Torment before starting Baldur's Gate 2, or Fallout 1 and 2.

I want to finish Sword of Hope before starting Sword of Hope 2.

I want to finish Phantasy Star 3 and 4 before starting any more Genesis RPGs.

I want to finish Star Ocean, Tales of Phantasia, and possibly Terranigma before starting any more SNES RPGs.

Then there's completely random games that I need to finish; Disgaea, Valkyrie Profile, Fire Emblem, Metal Walker, Castlevania 64, Mystic Quest, etc..

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From: Delin | Posted: 2/15/2004 8:57:03 AM | Message Detail

After I'm done with this I'll attempt to revive the Anti-RPG board. It was good for people to talk about games that aren't RPGs. Fleck, hope you don't mind, I'm going to steal your rules for this thread, talior them a bit, and use them in the new topic.

What am I playing now? Answer, not much. Half-life, ZAMN, and Gradius 3. That's about it. I can't play to much more. My grades are already slipping and if I play anything else they will fall even lower.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/15/2004 10:35:31 AM | Message Detail

Two nights in a row with drunken rants!! I am on a roll. Damn having to work tomorrow!

Camden, I should clarify, I don't mind those other things (rating people's collections and such), it just isn't the main reason I come to this board.

Rune420, The RPG-topic God, huh? Sounds good to me. Maybe you can bring us some fresh conversation ideas. You really should read the discussion that people had with the greatest fight. It was about 90 posts into this topic. Locke gets his ass kicked. Funny thing about this argument is no one ever chooses the guy who trained the guy who saves the world or the people who teach him the ultimate spells. If they know all that stuff why don't they go save the world?

Delin, I think it would be Dark Jedi Knight that would even say anything since it was his topic. I'm glad its coming back. I posted there a few times, too, but mostly just liked to read what others posted.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/15/2004 4:54:49 PM | Message Detail

Btw only SNES rpgs....anyway I choose Locke from ff6.....Quick+offeringxGenji Glove+ Illumina&Hawkeye+Back row=................about 160000 damage a turn ^_^

You and Patrick, both obsessed over Locke...

Sorry Rune, but last time something like this was brought up whoever used Locke never tried to accept his defeat even if his defeat is possible.

This is how I beat Locke. I'll use Magus. At first, Magus is impenetrable to damage, unless he is attacked by the Chrono Trigger world's Masamune. Seeing as Frog is the only character capable of equipping this sword, Magus can never be initially damaged unless you choose Frog as your character. Unfair? So...

I would also like to add that it's been a long time since I played Chrono Trigger, so the above may not be exactly true. The only thing I'm sure of about Chrono Trigger is Gato's song.

Valkyrie Profile

FINISH.THIS.NOW

Camden, I should clarify, I don't mind those other things (rating people's collections and such), it just isn't the main reason I come to this board.

I don't think anyone comes here specifically to aid others.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 2/15/2004 5:35:54 PM | Message Detail

How did I know you were going to say that? ^_^

Yeah, I know I need to finish VP... Just I'm very unmotivated to finish. I know I'm going to get the B ending because I did all the A ending stuff at the wrong time. And I can't get good stuff from Seraphic Gate because I'm not on Hard. And Barbarosa pissed me off, because the bastard got up after dying... and I barely killed him the first time. Bastard. I had to stop playing before I broke something. Not that I break anything. I know I don't really have to do anything in the chapters to move on, but it's the principle of the thing!

There needs to be more Lezard in this game. The scenes with him in his tower and him and Mystina were the best things in the game. I just like listening to his voice and his lines. "It is not the goddess within you that I burn for. I wish to make of you a human!" etc.

I'll probably get to it when I start finishing up games I left unfinished. Like WA2. Damn roots.

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From: Delin | Posted: 2/15/2004 6:44:40 PM | Message Detail

My friend just got a PS2 and because of you Camden I told him that if he finds it he should buy VP. All on the reason that you said so. I don't think I should have told you that. It probably accidentally inflated your ego.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/16/2004 12:34:28 PM | Message Detail

Ego? Camden? No...

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/16/2004 2:10:34 PM | Message Detail

anyway I choose Locke from ff6.....Quick+offeringxGenji Glove+ Illumina&Hawkeye+Back row=................about 160000 damage a turn ^_^

sorry Rune, that was my guy. pick another. :P

Sorry Rune, but last time something like this was brought up whoever used Locke never tried to accept his defeat even if his defeat is possible.

sheesh i don't even get named? bleh.

...

and oh yeah by the way i'm not a fat computer geek. i'm a skinny, anti-social, broke college student who loves his car and his RPGs. :P

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/16/2004 2:16:46 PM | Message Detail

You and Patrick, both obsessed over Locke...

hmm... i'll make a statement inspired by 'the-one-who-shant-be-named,' as termed by the mighty Delin:

FF6 r0x0rz, and Locke PWNS it!!

/end of debate.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/16/2004 3:08:47 PM | Message Detail

Patrick, where the hell have you been? Locke Sucks! Ness would qwn him!!

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/16/2004 3:27:44 PM | Message Detail

i've been out drunkening myself every single night since last time i posted. :P i've turned into a miniature alcoholic. i've now decided though that forcing myself to vomit 7 times at 7am whilst in the shower getting ready for work is not the best way to spend my day. what is the best way to spend my day you ask? why, posting at GameFAQs while playing Xenosaga, of course.

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From: Delin | Posted: 2/16/2004 6:29:31 PM | Message Detail

hmm... i'll make a statement inspired by 'the-one-who-shant-be-named,' as termed by the mighty Delin:

W00T!!!

That's the first time I've ever said that. Cool!

ph33r 7h3 1337 sp33k.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/16/2004 8:40:24 PM | Message Detail

Ego? Camden? No...

>_>

<_<

Me?

sheesh i don't even get named? bleh.

I believe I said your name, thank you very much!

/end of debate

You ended an internet debate wrong. First, if you want to connect Final Fantasy 3 to the word r0x0rz, go ahead, I won't argue. Second, it's

</debate>

ph33r 7h3 1337 sp33k.

If I translate "**** you, you ******* *********** ****** ******" into binary, is it still moddable?

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/17/2004 8:43:28 AM | Message Detail

I saw Xenosaga for $14.99 at Vintage Stock and tried to talk my buddy that has a PS2 into getting it. Is that a good deal?

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 2/17/2004 1:02:55 PM | Message Detail

Well, I've seen Xenosaga for 20 dollars new all over the place. I've heard that it may become a Greatest Hits game soon...

I haven't played Xenosaga or Xenogears yet. I'm saving them for when I have a long period of time in a row to burn, like over spring break (only about 2-3 more weeks...).

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/17/2004 4:50:26 PM | Message Detail

all the rumors about Xenosaga are true... it's really more of an interactive movie than a game. you'll literally spend 20-30 minutes straight without touching the control (except for hitting O to get to the next page of dialogue). then you'll play a short maybe 10 minute level with maybe 4 or 5 battles plus a boss fight, then start the cycle over. i'm a big big fan of a game with a rich plot, and even then the long cinema sequences get on my nerves from time to time...

the story is awesome [sci-fi kinda thing] but still the movies are out of control.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/17/2004 5:41:05 PM | Message Detail

Patrick was pretty much on the money. Someone on the Xeno board did the math when it first came out in Japan, and I think there was 45 minutes of fmv and 8 hours of non-fmv cutscenes. This all happened around the time of the "Edited American Scene" fiasco that was more hilarious than anything. My final save has 82 hours on it, but you have to eliminate 20 alone from playing Xenocard. Card games sure can suck the time away.

If you can stand a lot of story, and I mean a hell of a lot of story, go ahead and pick it up for $15. The only warning I have is this: Whenever Momo bends in any fashion, avert your eyes. The Japanese and their weird little girl fetish thing gets out of hand. If I remember right, someone also did the math on this, and you get a good 25 panty shots of an underage girl.

*looks at Japan, and shakes head

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From: Delin | Posted: 2/17/2004 5:48:20 PM | Message Detail

If I translate "**** you, you ******* *********** ****** ******" into binary, is it still moddable?

Probably for disruptive posting and not for censor bypassing.

*looks at Japan, and shakes head

lol

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/17/2004 6:08:07 PM | Message Detail

Probably for disruptive posting and not for censor bypassing.

That would be funny if that got modded for censor bypassing, it would almost be worth the karma loss!

lol

Sorry, nothing constructive to say today.

You can always say something destructive instead. I do all the time, and it really relaxes your mind.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 2/17/2004 6:59:06 PM | Message Detail

The only warning I have is this: Whenever Momo bends in any fashion, avert your eyes. The Japanese and their weird little girl fetish thing gets out of hand. If I remember right, someone also did the math on this, and you get a good 25 panty shots of an underage girl.

*looks at Japan, and shakes head

I doubt it's as bad as Soul Calibur 2... Sophita, Cassandra, and Seung Mina's dresses are all over the place when they fight. Not to mention the bounciness. Taki could probably put out someone's eyes... And let's not mention Ivy's costume...

That's why I've been using Talim the most out of the girls.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/17/2004 10:58:55 PM | Message Detail

doubt it's as bad as Soul Calibur 2... Sophita, Cassandra, and Seung Mina's dresses are all over the place when they fight. Not to mention the bounciness. Taki could probably put out someone's eyes... And let's not mention Ivy's costume...

Point taken, but how many of them are 8 year old girls? Here's a B/W piece of art, then a color one.

http://www.rpgamer.com/games/xeno/xenosaga/art/xenosaga008.gif

http://www.rpgamer.com/games/xeno/xenosaga/art/momo.jpg

That's what you get panty shots of, and that's why I'm shaking my head. Still doubt it's as bad?

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/18/2004 9:11:26 AM | Message Detail

Math Deity, check out what I got in the mail in the New game topic. I think I might have to change my underwear. (I know that is a gross mental picture, especially if you have seen me, but I don't care!)

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/18/2004 11:40:09 AM | Message Detail

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/18/2004 11:52:20 AM | Message Detail

Fleck, you better be selling at least one of those copies. Play one possibly, keep the second for collection purposes, but sell the third.

By the way, the only version I've got is the japanese version, but I heard the Euroglish version has complex hardware lockouts, and a lot of converters won't even work. If you actually open one to play it, could you elaborate.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/18/2004 12:15:05 PM | Message Detail

I am going to sell two of them. I figure I ought to be able to sell them for enough to pay for all three therefore netting a complete copy of Terranigma for free. None of the three are sealed, so I only need one. I plan on going to that site somebody posted a couple of weeks back that shows you how to mod an American SNES in order to play PAL games (specifically Terranigma) and printing everything off. I have a buddy that is a mechanical engineer that is going to do the work for me. I'm pretty excited, but it will still be a couple of weeks before I get to the point where I will be playing it.

Math Deity and I were AIMing each other when I told him that I was working on this. I have been so afraid the guy was ripping me off or wouldn't send them, but they're here. They all have price stickers on them and I think I am going to leave them on the copies I will sell because I don't want to screw up the box and devalue them more than they already are. Everything else is MINT, though. I don't think they were ever opened or played. They just don't have the shrinkwrap on them anymore and each has a price sticker and a store sticker written in Greek.

Wow. Three complete copies of Terranigma. I have tried to buy this game so many times to no avail. It has been my unicorn. I can't wait to play it. My brother has fixed my computer and is bringing it over to hook it up to my TV, so I might download and play the ROM soon, but I don't want to ruin it. I don't know what I will do. Who cares, I guess its just a game, but...

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/18/2004 1:27:27 PM | Message Detail

I had a long post ready, but there wasn't a single thing in it that had anything to do with rpgs, or anything else in the topic. Therefore, I've deleted it, and replaced it with this:

42.

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From: Delin | Posted: 2/18/2004 1:50:53 PM | Message Detail

Fleck I'd ask you for one, but my mom is flying over to Europe in the next couple of months. I'll see if she can find one while she is over there. Also, I'm rather straped for cash right now (read broke).

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/18/2004 2:29:10 PM | Message Detail Also, I'm rather straped for cash right now (read broke).

I'd loan you some, except I have it all spent on 10 games that come out during the year. Well, I have it all spent on about 6 games that come out this year, I guess I'll have to lift the other four or something.

Actually, I probably wouldn't loan you any money anyhows, seeing as we don't know each other. I find that lending money to strangers is usually a bad idea.

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From: Delin | Posted: 2/18/2004 7:15:22 PM | Message Detail

I find that lending money to strangers is usually a bad idea.

I had a friend do that while we were on a school trip. He lent $10 to a hot girl at an amusement park. It wasn't until that night when we returned to the hotel that he realized that the girl was not with our group. We tried very hard not to laugh in his face too much.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 2/18/2004 7:27:16 PM | Message Detail

My cousin borrowed my copy of MMX4, and I never got it back.

...It's my favorite Mega Man game, too.

;_;

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/18/2004 9:59:20 PM | Message Detail

We tried very hard not to laugh in his face too much.

That would have been hard, but at least it was only $10. Just think how hard you would have been laughing if he found a little gift basket on his doorstep in nine months.

Reminds me of dead baby jokes...

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/18/2004 10:42:20 PM | Message Detail

*coughcough*RPGs!!*coughcough*

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/18/2004 10:55:30 PM | Message Detail

You feel okay Patrick? That's a nasty cough you got there.

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From: Delin | Posted: 2/19/2004 2:10:03 PM | Message Detail

Hey! I've got ADD. It's easy to get side-tracked. If someone says some the least bit off-topic, BAM!, I gone.

Okay, let's try for a topic. Who do you think that the worst RPG end boss is? As in which do you think was the biggest letdown? Not necessarily because he was easy, but because he just was.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/19/2004 3:08:32 PM | Message Detail

SPOILERS!!!!!!!

Earthbound might fit that for me. The actual fight was cool, even though I totally lucked into the whole praying to beat the guy thing. I just thought that the all-evil being could have been better than just an acid trip on a screen. I did acid in high school and that is exactly what a red screen with an evil face would have moved like. Been there, done that. I guess I wanted some big, nasty alien looking thing.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/19/2004 10:38:19 PM | Message Detail

Hey! I've got ADD.

By the way, I've been "diagnosed" with ADD as well, but I personally think the whole thing is a big crock. What's that Robin? The Jokers loose in Gotham?! To the Batmobile!

BATMAN!

End boss that let me down the most? None, really. Most of the story is usually wrapped up in the few dungeons before the final one, and those bosses always seem to present more of a threat. I thought the final form of Lavos was kind of lame looking though.

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From: Delin | Posted: 2/20/2004 1:32:20 PM | Message Detail

ADD does exist, just not in everyone that they think has it. Most of the time it is just a child being a child. ADD lasts until death. I still can't concentrate on any topic. I drive my friends nuts because I can't stay on topic for more than five minutes.

Anyway topic...I agree with Fleck. The final boss was a let down. Giygas is supposed to be the embodiment of evil and he comes off like something out of a pipe dream or an acid trip. I've seen better embodiments of evil. Also, his attacks aren't super. You'd think pure evil would be able to do a bit more butt whuppin'.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/20/2004 1:46:10 PM | Message Detail

I think the whole point was to not kill you before you figured out that you had to pray. The road to Giygas was WAY more challenging than the actual boos fight. It also took me a little while to figure out that I needed to beat Pokey first instead of fighting Giygas. I wasted a lot of MP healing because of that. But, any time I can beat a final boss in my first try, I am always disappointed.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/20/2004 1:48:51 PM | Message Detail

[waits until the topic passes over a game he hates]

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/20/2004 1:51:12 PM | Message Detail

What boss disappointed you, Patrick?

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/20/2004 1:55:27 PM | Message Detail

Gamma Four posted this site in another topic.

www.mortisland.com

Go to the movies section and watch these in order:

Black Mage vs. Magus

Crono vs. Black Mage

FFI duo vs. FFVII

These are hilarious movies. I really love the FFI v. FFVII cartoon. Priceless!

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/20/2004 8:59:38 PM | Message Detail

[waits until the topic passes over a game he hates]

Alright, just for Patrick, I say we stop talking about Earthbound. Starting now!

Alright, let's talk about Mother! A wonderful game, it was, it was!

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/20/2004 9:07:45 PM | Message Detail

What's funny is the subject isn't even Earthbound. I just gave my answer to the question (which was Earthbound) and Delin and I agreed. Patrick, you jackass, change the subject if you want to talk about something else! ;P

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/20/2004 9:16:26 PM | Message Detail

Camden, did you check out those movies?

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/20/2004 11:07:40 PM | Message Detail

bastards! you've all turned against me! or maybe not. who knows?? i'm drunk. i'm drink. i'm drank. i just don't like Earthbound.

my least favorite boss fight are the bosses from Final Fantasy. tomorrow, once i regain some semblance of coherent thought, i shall explain myself!

also, on an off-topic ramble, i scored a date tonight. can i get a congratulations? yessir it's well-deserved, as i suck with chicks, this is a rare occurence. *applaudes self*

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/20/2004 11:37:29 PM | Message Detail

Camden, did you check out those movies?

No. I'm downloading a freeware game called Enemy Territory right now, and my estimated time until completion is 34 hours - 27 minutes - 04 seconds. I don't plan on playing the game for a week or two.

bastards! you've all turned against me!

Gwahaha! Fool! Your morals and virtues have stricken you blind! Can you not see that we have been your enemies from the very start?! Die, traitor!

*a badger attacks Patrick

my least favorite boss fight are the bosses from Final Fantasy.

Is it just me, or do fanboys tend to have extreme difficulty with bosses that aren't hard at all. I never did see how the weapons in Final Fantasy 7 were hard in any way.

i scored a date tonight. can i get a congratulations? yessir it's well-deserved, as i suck with chicks, this is a rare occurence. *applaudes self*

Congratulations! I haven't had a date in... well... unless you count going to the movies with your non girlfriend female friends a date, then never. Alas, I will spend no money on girls, and I'm fat, so my choices are limited.

*is a loser

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From: Delin | Posted: 2/21/2004 6:10:17 AM | Message Detail

Those movies were great. Great for a laugh.

bastards! you've all turned against me! or maybe not. who knows?? i'm drunk. i'm drink. i'm drank.

*slaps drunken Patrick with an uber trout*

also, on an off-topic ramble, i scored a date tonight. can i get a congratulations? yessir it's well-deserved, as i suck with chicks, this is a rare occurence. *applaudes self*

Gives Patrick a cookie and some black coffee. I was on a date once. It was fun. Although the next time we went out it was as friends.

Was she drunk at the time? If she was, are you sure she saw you and not something her alcohol filled mind dreamed up?

</very nasty joke aimed at Patrick>

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/21/2004 7:52:40 AM | Message Detail

i just love when the hangover skips you!

Was she drunk at the time? If she was, are you sure she saw you and not something her alcohol filled mind dreamed up?

she was not drunkened at the time, no. this just proves my ultra-divine theory: i definitely rock. thanks for the cookie, bro.

Die, traitor!

sorry for you, my 'i definitely rock' theory was just proven. therefore, i cannot die. [menacing cackle]

Is it just me, or do fanboys tend to have extreme difficulty with bosses that aren't hard at all. I never did see how the weapons in Final Fantasy 7 were hard in any way.

[are you calling me a fanboy?] i wasn't referring to them having any difficulty. i think i was going for the fact that all throughout the game they're a person then all the sudden for the last fight and the last fight only they're a massive huge monster creature with little to no explanation on how they transformed. i just always thought they were menacing enough without being a crazy monster creature thing. i dunno, maybe it's just me, or maybe i can't remember right.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/21/2004 8:00:35 AM | Message Detail

*slaps drunken Patrick with an uber trout*

you know, that's the second time you've hit me with a large fish recently. where do you get these things?

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From: kain611 | Posted: 2/21/2004 5:26:47 PM | Message Detail

Hey Patrick my feelings exactly on the Final Fantasy bosses. Love how Kefka turned into that thing in FF6..not!

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From: Delin | Posted: 2/21/2004 6:15:57 PM | Message Detail

you know, that's the second time you've hit me with a large fish recently. where do you get these things?

To quote a Nickelodeon TV show..."Uhhhh...Internet?"

Actually someone dumped a truckload of trout on me in Random Insanity a while ago. I hung on to most of them and put them in the freezer. They haven't started going bad...yet.

Heh, You yelling at me for straying off topic. You're just as bad as I am.

Topic. I need to actually play my RPGs, but school is becoming a problem. I guess I just got to focus on the goal. I finish up 12 years of torture and get my sheet of paper saying the I'm educated on May 21 at 5:00 CST. HURRAH!!!! Of course then there is college. Oh well, 'tis life.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/22/2004 12:19:39 AM | Message Detail

sorry for you, my 'i definitely rock' theory was just proven. therefore, i cannot die. [menacing cackle]

You rock, so pick up your guitar and start playing music. As for immortality, I don't see it under the definition of rock.

Actually, that wasn't referenced to you, person with a console in his user name. You mentioned Final Fantasy bosses, and I made a general comment about their difficulty. Although yes, I'm still calling you a fanboy. I don't think anyone isn't a fanboy of at least one game. My name comes from a game.

To quote a Nickelodeon TV show..."Uhhhh...Internet?"

Nickelodeon only had two shows I ever used to watch. Doug, and that one show where the kids were at camp. It had someone named Budnick or something to that degree. What the hell was the name of it?

Of course then there is college. Oh well, 'tis life.

Well, you could be like me and forget to try for any scholarships, and then not have enough money to start college because of it. I'm stuck in limbo.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/22/2004 12:49:56 AM | Message Detail

Salute Your Shorts... with Sponge and Donkey(lips?) and Pinsky...

also, i'm drunk again...

*talks about RPGs*

see...? i'm on topic!

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/22/2004 1:05:39 AM | Message Detail

Salute Your Shorts... with Sponge and Donkey(lips?) and Pinsky...

I loved that show. Is there anywhere I can get the episodes on dvd or tape, or any channel that actually airs them?

Oh, rpgs.

Go Random Person Gelding!

Can anyone else think of a fun acronym? I think not...

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 2/22/2004 6:04:03 AM | Message Detail

Sorry. Been doing something and havne't got on much.

Talking about FF bosses, the only last boss I've ever gotten to is the one in FFV. The only reason I lost (heh) was because I was "way" undertrained (I think I was...less than lv50 or something).

The most disappointed boss fight? Not sure, but I hoped Lavos in CT could've been a bit tougher.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 2/22/2004 7:43:02 AM | Message Detail

*note that the next little bit about FF5 is based on my experience with the PSX port*

Well, it's really hard to level up in FF5. I think in my file I was only about level 45-50. What matters is the job abilities you've mastered. $Toss, Sshot (espicially when paired with the two sword abilities), and Bahamut really tear through it. Especially if you took the time to get the Mime job. And spent some time in the final part of the dimensional rift fighting Movers and such for tons of AP.

I wonder if you can Holy Kiss berserk the final boss via the Chemist's Mix command... I know you can do that to Omega and Shinryuu; that's how I beat them (along with using that Chemist's revive command instead of using Phoenix Downs or Life spells because I couldn't be wiped out with a hit-all attack after that). Even though all you get is useless items to prove you've done it, the Engrish on them is worth the time and effort. "Your wisdom/strength have defeated the ancient culture." and "Replenish lost nutrition from slaying dragons." (or something similar; my memory's a little fuzzy, but I had that second one as a sig at one point)

And that "Internet" thing is from the Fairy Oddparents... I know because I caught pieces of it because my cousin watches it sometimes. Actually pretty funny compared to a lot of that lame crap trying to act all "cool" with "X-treme sports" and "middle school or high school life" and other crap. And now, an out of place and probably incorrect quote.

Dad: "And that's all you need to know about where babies come from."

Timmy: "But what's the machine for?"

Dad: "You'll find out when you're older."

As for classic Nickelodeon, I used to love watching that Salute Your Shorts, Rocko's Modern Life, and I think that Real Monsters show back when I was a kid...

*insert nostalgia here*

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/22/2004 11:49:56 AM | Message Detail

So much for this topic getting rid of clutter. Look at all the ****ing RPG topics on the board today!

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From: SuperNintendoGeneral | Posted: 2/22/2004 6:15:35 PM | Message Detail

Look at all the ****ing RPG topics on the board today!

Oh well, less crap we have to read in this topic. Can you imagine all those questions being asked in here? You would never again be able to hear my irresistible banter! We surely can't have that, now can we?

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From: Delin | Posted: 2/22/2004 7:29:34 PM | Message Detail

Agreed and I sometimes must watch it with a 12 year old sister.

As for classic Nickelodeon, I used to love watching that Salute Your Shorts, Rocko's Modern Life, and I think that Real Monsters show back when I was a kid...

Angry Beavers was funny. Does anyone remember a show on Nick, I think it was called roundhouse or something to that effect, where they breakdanced and had comedy sketches. I ask my friends if they remember and they look at me funny.

Are you actually a newcomer or are you just one of Camden's new alts? For the record I'm just curious and not elitest.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/22/2004 9:50:17 PM | Message Detail

Are you actually a newcomer or are you just one of Camden's new alts?

When I was at my grandmas yesterday, I took the time to register four new alts. My isp is one of the ones that isn't widely used by the Gamefaqs population, so I can only register on my computer with isp assigned emails. I only have two, so I had to wait to use someone elses computer to make them.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/23/2004 1:56:25 PM | Message Detail

"Are there any good RPGs on SNES?" - Izzy Mandelbaum

Can you believe that guy?

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/23/2004 2:00:15 PM | Message Detail

i almost marked him for trolling, but i thought maybe he could contest that, so i didn't even want to mess with it.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 2/23/2004 2:23:18 PM | Message Detail

"Are there any good RPGs on SNES?" - Izzy Mandelbaum

It sounds like someone who hasn't played enough SNES/SFC rpgs. All the so called "classics" are only a small amount compared to the whole genre, where more than half of it is probably SFC only :P (a bit exaggerated, but you guys know, and I hope you guys know, what I'm talking about). Also, it seems like he missed the strategy rpg genre, which most of it, besides titles such as Ogre Battle, are SFC only. SRW, Fire Emblem, FEDA, Der Langrisser, and a whole bunch of other titles are only found on the SFC. You've played all the classics? Try listing them, then compare their length to my "unfinished" rpg list and see whose list is longer.

I do agree, however, that PSIV was good. It's probably due to the fact that I love animes and mangas and the game can sort of be portraited as half manga. Of course, I had a "manga" walkthrough which is actually quite vague but literally spoils almost every single spoiler out there about the game XD. For people who don't want to be spoiled, this kind of walkthrough isn't really for you, but tell you the truth, I actually didn't stop playing PSIV because I saw the spoilers and the ending. It actually made me "want" to beat the game. (while the walkthroughs for games on the PS or newer just makes me want to stop playing...even when they don't spoil much of the story, and example of this would be BoF3) And yeah, personally, PSIV has a better multi-tech system than CT. It doesn't always work, which means there's challenge. (you won't be pulling super technique and always succeeds) During later boss fights, I find it harder to do combination attacks. Probably the game wants the player to be more challenged. And yeah, PSIV was better than CT on the difficulty level as well. I barely won in PSIV just because the andriod had a ton of HP and self-repairing ability. All my other characters were dead when I won the last battle.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/23/2004 2:58:52 PM | Message Detail

Can you believe that guy?

Yes.

i almost marked him for trolling, but i thought maybe he could contest that, so i didn't even want to mess with it

I would have marked him for trolling, but I don't want my MMA any higher than it is. I just recently lost my unknown status, and that made me sad. I'd rather keep my Good status. Plus I don't think he's trolling.

where more than half of it is probably SFC only :P (a bit exaggerated,

Not that much. I like about twice as many english games as sfc ones, but I've pretty much played every english rpg, whereas I've played very few sfc games.

Also, it seems like he missed the strategy rpg genre, which most of it, besides titles such as Ogre Battle, are SFC only.

I like the strategy genre more, but I find them harder to play untranslated than rpgs. I'm not getting too far in Fire Emblem 4 or Front Mission, but I don't seem to have a problem dying. Especially in Fire Emblem 4. I'm interested in playing some of the Farland Story games, but from what I understand I need a disk drive to emulate the games, which I don't currently have one of.

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From: Delin | Posted: 2/23/2004 4:35:28 PM | Message Detail

I'm just going to assume he is a troll and not talk to him. I'll probably just end up cussing again and get hit with a censor bypass (I any of you don't know I argued with an idiot and ended up looking like one. The guy, dreamer, had me so mad that I cussed him out, I even used what would be apporopriate censoring on most other message boards, leaving one letter and censoring the rest...WRONG! I haven't made that mistake since). Anyway I'm chasing rabbits.

I like Strategy RPGs well the only one I've played is good, FFTA, gameplay wise, story wise...it...well...sucks.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/23/2004 7:35:16 PM | Message Detail

Meh, FFTA wasn't nearly as good as the original. Most of the strategy games I'm familiar with are playstation ones. Front Mission 3, Brigandine, Final Fantasy Tactics, Saiyuki, Vanguard Bandits, Arc Collection, Tactics Ogre, Vandal Hearts 1/2.

Tech, I don't know how well you know the playstation library compared to the snes one, but are there any strategy imports I might want to check out? I got Brigandine GE recently, and I figured if I was going to mod my ps, I might as well pick up a few more.

So far I'm thinking Growlanser and Langrisser Final Edition, though I haven't checked D's to even see if this game exists. I've seen quite a few collection style games listed on Gamefaqs that weren't real.

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From: matthewcarter50 | Posted: 2/24/2004 12:20:53 PM | Message Detail

Strategy RPG's are fine. In particular, my favorites are Tactics Ogre Let Us Cling Together, and SRW 3/4. The SRW games are fairly hard, though. I may actually like them more then normal RPG's.... maybe not, Ah yes, and SRW: Lord of the Elementals. All great games...

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/24/2004 1:50:31 PM | Message Detail

I've never felt motivated enough to play any of the SRW games. I'm not even sure if any of them are translated. I'd hate to start playing another japanese game, I'm still playing through the last five or so that I started.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 2/24/2004 2:25:29 PM | Message Detail

I like Strategy RPGs well the only one I've played is good, FFTA, gameplay wise, story wise...it...well...sucks.

I don't think FFTA's plot is so bad... I mean, it's nothing spectacular, but it did have some concepts of identity, self image, etc.. Though it's more of like a teaser for FF12 anyway.

To me the worst plot ever would be Steam Hearts from what little I've heard of it on GameFAQs, because not only does it have a cliche, shoot-em-up plot, but also had bizarre, illogical, and disturbing X-rated elements too.

Oh, Camden, the only import strategy games I can think of are SRW, the Langrissier series, and the Rhasphody/Marl series (which is somewhat related to La Puchelle, Disgaea, and Phantom Brave).

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/24/2004 2:51:16 PM | Message Detail

I asked this question on ps2 general once to try and get a laugh, but most people just got mad. I insulted a national institution or something.

Am I the only one who hates Disgaea? I find no real redeeming qualities in the game, and the cutesy style they went for, which would usually be a plus, turned me completely away from the game.

I remember a playstation game called Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure or something like that, but I thought it was just a normal turnbased rpg. Is this the same Rhapsody you're talking about.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 2/24/2004 3:15:15 PM | Message Detail

Yeah, that's the Rhasphody I was talking about, though I haven't played it, but I thought I heard somewhere it was a SRPG, even if it is an easy one.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/25/2004 6:49:38 PM | Message Detail

Yeah, it was a Strategy game, and all the reviews tote it as extremely easy.

Tech: I just played SCWU, and though I like the game, it suffers from SOCKS. Sucks On Computer Keyboards Syndrome is no laughing matter. Can anyone recommend a good pc controller for fighters? Preferably one with a decent price tag.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/25/2004 7:57:27 PM | Message Detail

use an snes controller... the best controller ever. :P well maybe not the best ever, but still pretty good for fighting games. not so many buttons you get confused, but enough that you have a good amount of options. the playstation controller is good too (and i'm pretty sure it's just as easy to get a psx controller modded for PC as it is to get an snes controller).

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/25/2004 7:59:00 PM | Message Detail

mine only cost $25, too.

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From: Delin | Posted: 2/25/2004 8:01:21 PM | Message Detail

Logitech makes decent cheap equipment. They have a controller similar to the PS2 controller that is about $20.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/25/2004 8:58:41 PM | Message Detail

mine only cost $25, too.

Beyond my price range. I've got $22 on me right now, and that's got to cover shipping and a money order as well. I have another $300 in my room, but that's just waiting for six more games being released this year. I'll look into Delins and see what it's like.

Wishful thinking, but this would be perfect timing to win that $25 Review of the Month certificate.

That would be funny if I won, my mediocre grasp of grammar and vocabulary combined with my grating abrasive attitude.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/25/2004 9:48:14 PM | Message Detail

well... it only cost $20, but i gave the guy an extra $5 so he'd send it priority so i'd get it within a couple days.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/25/2004 11:19:20 PM | Message Detail

Well, I can't get Delins, and because of some information I came upon, a lot of them are eliminated. I can't have a controller that requires any kind of installation involving a floppy. My floppy drive isn't working, and I'm not about to try and fix it. The odds of me finding a site that hosts the drivers AND the install files is slim.

Thanks anyways.

Patrick, does the snes mod require any kind of floppy installation, or is it just a plug in and go type of one? If one exists. Bah, I suck with computers.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 2/26/2004 9:46:19 AM | Message Detail

you have to download a set of drivers and install them. it's really simple. go check out that topic where i posted that huge message full of instructions. 'please help (emulator related)' or something. i put the link to the drivers in there. i can't remember it off hand.

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From: Delin | Posted: 2/27/2004 1:22:13 PM | Message Detail

RPGs are fun.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/27/2004 1:51:57 PM | Message Detail

Yes, they are.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/27/2004 3:57:27 PM | Message Detail

I'd have to disagree with the above posters. While I can respect that you have your opinions, however misguided they may be, I can not stand by and watch you prattle on aimlessly when your views are so flawed. RPG's are ruining this great nation of ours, and the only way we can possibly turn it around is by banning the sale of mature rated video games, especially ones where you take the role of a misfit or a thug. Our children must not be subjected to this kind of material, and I for one will do everything I can to stop it.

But first I must watch porn.

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From: Delin | Posted: 2/27/2004 6:35:06 PM | Message Detail

Shut up Senator Lieberman or I will harm thee.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/27/2004 8:22:06 PM | Message Detail

Just you wait! America thinks I've dropped out of the race for the democratic nomination, but I'm just biding my time until my GoreBot 3000 is finished! Fear me Edwards! Fear me Kerry! Feel me Kucinich!

Whoops!

(Side Note: One of Gamefaqs Misspelled Word Suggestions for Kucinich is Houdini! They're not similar at all!)

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From: Delin | Posted: 2/28/2004 5:52:41 AM | Message Detail

*buys sniper rifle*

*gets in a large warehouse with many windows*

*shoots Camden*

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/28/2004 12:25:16 PM | Message Detail

Ow! That hurt! You should watch what you do with that, you might poke an eye out! Ow! That really hurt you know!

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/28/2004 2:34:09 PM | Message Detail

We are all so bored.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/28/2004 3:01:58 PM | Message Detail

What was the last topic we actually discussed in a somewhat civilized manner, barring my outbursts of course. I believe it had something to do with Earthbound.

So... how bout that Squaresoft! Aren't they somethincredible?

Delin, could you shoot me again?

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From: kain611 | Posted: 2/28/2004 4:13:14 PM | Message Detail

Um whos that there Squaresoft? Never heard of 'em........ Hey any of ya heard of that game Final Fantasy Chronicles of Crap?

Soooooooooooooooooooo whats some good NES rpg's out there? Also how the hell do you play Rejoice and Burning Heroes Camden? I can't read any Japanese so I can't stay focused. Any pointers cause they look really good. Hey also everyone see the update on the Whirlpool? Emerald Dragon may get done before the next millennium! Man its boring tonight... think I'll go play some more of the Chronicles of the Radia War and then struggle to get my little f'ing hobbits to Bree.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 2/28/2004 4:33:09 PM | Message Detail

Kain, try Faria, Crystalis, Legend of Ghost Lion, and Magic of Scheherezade for NES RPGs. I have played all of those and loved them. Crystalis was the best of them, though.

Let's try to get some actual SNES RPG conversation going...

What Non-U.S. RPG should have been released in the States? Why?

I'll go with Terranigma simply for the reason that they released the first two (IoG and Soulblazer) here. Why not the third. Especially if it is supposed to be the best of the series. I haven't played much of my ROM of it, yet, but I have played a little and I like what I have seen. Another nomination would be Seiken Densetsu III (I know those are the obvious ones, so give me some different ones *hint, hint*).

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 2/28/2004 4:57:44 PM | Message Detail

Ah, it looks like I'll need to archive the Player's Club topic soon... This topic is getting there too.

To be honest, though I haven't been playing RPGs much recently. Mostly Guilty Gear X2 (any game with an insane doctor who violates patients with a giant scalpel, a winged girl, a possessed guy, and a haiku reciting vampire is ok with me!). And I've been going into "squirrel mode", putting away games for a rainy day. Especially because of KB toy's 30% off on video games due to going out of business. No new titles really, but it's a perfect time to catch up, and get some replacement copies of games I lost (Mega Man X4 and Oracle of Ages).

Like I got Wario Ware recently at KB. I really liked this game, and hey, I got it 10 dollars less than what I'd usually have to pay for it.

...I've got that trippy distorted japanese song in Dribble's stage (and Jump Forever) of Wario Ware stuck in my head. That game is hypnotic. Wouldn't be surprised if there was some subliminal messages buried in there. I can't really stand to play with the music turned down... It just adds to the game...

Now, to segue cleverly from off topic to on topic, I really love the Atomic Power Robot battle music in Earthbound. Rather trippy too.

Now then, has anyone played Romance of the Three Kingdoms 4: Wall of Fire? I never really played any of the more war type strategy games, just the more strategy RPG tactical ish games.

I thought about getting it at Gamestop, just because I never seen an actual copy of it before.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 2/28/2004 5:05:40 PM | Message Detail

Which game should have been brought over to the US?

Tales of Phantasia should have came out in the US in the SNES days, gotten everyone to drool over it and love as much as Chrono Trigger, so that all the sequels would be guaranteed sellers, so Namco would release more of the damn games in the US.

Everyone would win.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 2/28/2004 5:19:18 PM | Message Detail

Rejoice is an action rpg, and there is no health meter during battle so becareful. You can determine things from their colour. Read the walkthrough too XD. Controls.... Try play with it and you should know what is what.

Lol, but you know Wozz's gonna get completed first. Yeah, waiting for ED as well.

Btw, D-Boy released a new translation patch type. Go to his site and check it out if you have that kind of knowledge lol.

Game that should've came to the US and didn't? Well, I was gonna say ToP, but Mr. Chrispy took it. XD Star Ocean would then be my pick lol.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/28/2004 6:27:55 PM | Message Detail

Crispy: I saved the Players Club into a word file, but the entire page instead of just a basic dialogue move. That's the largest Word file I've ever created. Damn.

I can't read any Japanese so I can't stay focused.

Me either, but if a game is good enough outside the story I try and struggle through it. By the way, when was the last post I mentioned Burning Heroes in? That seems a long ways back.

For NES rpgs, I suggest Dragon Warrior 3 and 4 if you can get your hands on them. And even though it's not an rpg, you must get Tetris, preferably Tengen if you can find it cheaply anywhere.

What Non-U.S. RPG should have been released in the States? Why?

<Possible SPOILERS>

Beyond my normal responses, I'm going to say Mother. It bugs me to no end that the characters in Earthbound actually know each other, yet act as if they don't because the original wasn't released stateside. Star Ocean BS should have rode Second Story's cult following with a release, the original Star Ocean should have had one as well. Growlanser should have been released, and hopefully with Working Designs release of Generations, and Ireland hinting at the release of Growlanser 4, we might get it on the GBA or something someday.

Now then, has anyone played Romance of the Three Kingdoms 4: Wall of Fire? I never really played any of the more war type strategy games, just the more strategy RPG tactical ish games.

I own it. If you've never played a game in the series, I suggest you buy it with a grain of salt. This is my favorite that I've played, but most people seem to be turned off by the series. If you've played something along the lines of Civilization, you'll get the basics of how this game will turn out for you. The basics. How much was it selling for?

I'm currently poking around about buying Romance 9. I've got no other games I want to buy now, so I'm thinking about picking it up.

Lol, but you know Wozz's gonna get completed first. Yeah, waiting for ED as well.

Meh, I'll probably give WOZZ a go around as well, so I'm not in any big hurry.

Read the walkthrough too XD.

I know you've submitted something for Rejoice, so is this just shameless self promotion? For shame, you're turning into me!

Btw, D-Boy released a new translation patch type. Go to his site and check it out if you have that kind of knowledge lol.

That update more confused me than anything. Is it just a new program to patch ips files, or is it a new file type for patches itself? If it's a new file type, is there a new patcher I need to get? Too many technical terms for me. Exponents, googolplex, this whole part "My sample implementation is in PHP (with a Win32 EXE for everyone who doesn't have PHP installed), which only supports 32bit integers, hence this implementation maxes at 4GB. But if someone implemented the format in C, they could use int64 and support 120GB. Or if they used some inline asm, you could possibly get that up to 80bit.", header removal, deinterleaving, this whole part "It also stores the CRC32, MD5sum and SHA1 of the good, source file used ot make the patch, so it can't be applied to an incorrect file (these are made of course, off a cleaned file with no header and deinterleaved, and the end user's file is prepared for the same format)." and the whole thing at the end where he starts describing specs or something. O.O

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From: Delin | Posted: 2/28/2004 7:29:04 PM | Message Detail

Darn I miss a few hours while shooting paintballs at friends and an actual conversation appears. One in which I can say absolutly nothing because you have already convered all the ones I know that exist...wait not entirely true...there is one more...but I havn't played it...oh well...Live a Live. There now I've contrubuted and can stop rambling.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 2/29/2004 5:41:24 AM | Message Detail

Camden, most people probably won't be understanding what he's saying. And from what I know, he did make another patch format. He just also compiled a software that patches that kind of patch as well as ips files that's all.

As for the walkthrough, I did wrote a boss faq, but I wasn't the one that wrote the full walkthrough. I was actually referring to the full walkthrough, not my boss faq. Think about it. If he's gonna try out a game he can't read, what would I suggest? A boss faq or the full walkthrough? The full walkthrough of course. The only reason I had XD on there is that there's already a walkthrough on the game and yet Kain hasn't noticed it yet that's all. He could've consulted the walkthrough already.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/29/2004 1:23:25 PM | Message Detail

Think about it. If he's gonna try out a game he can't read, what would I suggest? A boss faq or the full walkthrough? The full walkthrough of course.

Well, I guess that's where you and me are different. I'd suggest whatever was followed by the name BlackRabite. I don't have a faq submitted yet for anything, but I'm working on one! And when it's done, a link will go directly into my sig!

Note: Someone else is also writing a faq for the same game, and is further along than I am, so I've halted work. That, and I got tired of writing it.

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From: kain611 | Posted: 2/29/2004 2:28:17 PM | Message Detail

I know this game is not a SNES rpg but its a translated NES rpg have any of you played or beaten Sted? Check it out on the NES boards and leave a thought if you have. Plays alot like Phantasy Star and there is not one faq on the net about it. Well sorry for the interruption. Yeah I was asking how you peeps could play a Jap game with no knowing of the language cause I can't bring myself to do it. I've tried on several that have written translations and I just can't do it. What is the general form of Jap language used in most games? I'd like to try to learn at least most menus. Thanks for any help.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 2/29/2004 3:59:51 PM | Message Detail

It bugs me to no end that the characters in Earthbound actually know each other, yet act as if they don't because the original wasn't released stateside.

I remember someone on the Mother 1+2 board refered to a Japanese magazine article that had the characters from both games listed side by side, and the Mother 1 hero was refered to Ninten, and the Mother 2 hero was refered to as Ness. Though I don't really know for certian.

I'm currently poking around about buying Romance 9. I've got no other games I want to buy now, so I'm thinking about picking it up.

It's for 20 dollars. I think they also had one of the PSX ones, but it was disc only, and I think it's sold now. I'll try to keep it in mind... Never hurts to have a bit of diversity in a collection.

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From: Camden | Posted: 2/29/2004 4:25:25 PM | Message Detail

Another thing, I'm annoyed when people refer to it as Earthbound Zero. Usually when someone localizes a name, like Secret of Mana 2, it's so people don't have to figure out how to spell Seiken Densetsu correctly from memory. But not only is the japanese name simpler, it's already a damn english word! They just made it longer!

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From: FBI Porker GoId | Posted: 3/1/2004 2:09:49 AM | Message Detail

Could someone recommend me a turn-based RPG similar to Chrono Trigger.

Non-FF preferably.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 3/1/2004 5:47:47 AM | Message Detail

Could someone recommend me a turn-based RPG similar to Chrono Trigger.

Non-FF preferably.

Well, there's Breath of Fire series, Lufia series, Earthbound, Super Mario RPG, Robotrek... Well, that's most of the ones that I can think of that were released in the US.

I sort of agree. But what should they call it? Mother 1 was going to be released as Earthbound. Most people know Mother 2 as Earthbound.

I can only think of two things to do if Mother 1+2 comes out in the US: 1. Call it "Earthbound Collection" or something similar, and refer to the games as "Mother 1 and 2". Or 2. Leave Mother 2 as Earthbound, and call Mother 1 "Mother Earth". Same idea as the original name, but still tied to the name "Earthbound" through the word Earth.

Then again, I think that Square-Enix should have called the Seiken Densetsu remake "Testament of Mana" in the US...

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 3/1/2004 5:55:45 AM | Message Detail

Well, I tend to follow the kanji in the games, which usually will lead me to the next clue on how to get to the next part of the game. Solid Runner's like that. I don't know the exact name the other Japanese characters are called. Go to the Tales board and see if Cyllya or the others are around since they know Japanese. Try asking them about the language if you like.

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From: Camden | Posted: 3/1/2004 12:58:59 PM | Message Detail

I can only think of two things to do if Mother 1+2 comes out in the US:

Yeah, I don't think we're going to have to worry about that.

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From: FBI Porker GoId | Posted: 3/1/2004 6:18:50 PM | Message Detail

Thanks Crispy.

I'll check them out.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 3/1/2004 6:28:33 PM | Message Detail

Yeah, Crispy pretty much named all the good ones...

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From: Camden | Posted: 3/1/2004 7:03:35 PM | Message Detail

*twelve minute guitar solo

So...

Who else likes the Quizno's spongemonkeys?

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From: Fleck | Posted: 3/1/2004 8:27:34 PM | Message Detail

I love those spots. I am in advertising sales for the local ABC affiliate here, so I love anything that gets people talking. The jury is still out on whether or not revenue has gone up due to the actual campaign, but I would assume that the buzz that has been created by those spots is enough to spike at least some extra business. The cost to produce those ads was minimal, but they have been buying everything under the sun as far as spot time, so I hope it pays off for them. Everyone in my office hates them, but every time one comes on, everyone sings "Beware of Paper Cuts... Eat Quizno's Subs." I love it.

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From: Camden | Posted: 3/1/2004 8:52:34 PM | Message Detail

I just do it randomly. My friends will be over playing a game, and they'll be in a tough spot or a boss that's taken a long time, and I'll all of a sudden just scream ANY COUPON WORKS! Then I'll follow it up with the pony rides or oil change part, just to annoy them after the fact.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 3/1/2004 8:57:09 PM | Message Detail

Every time I see one of the spots on I turn the TV up in my cubicle REAL loud just to annoy everyone in the office. They all scream and throw stuff at me, but within two minutes, the whole place is singing lines from it. Brilliant advertising. What I want to know is who was the guy that walked in to the room to make the pitch and said, "OK, we have these cognitively challenged mice with really ****ed up teeth and I am going to sing with a really high pitched stupid voice and everyone is going to love it!"

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From: Camden | Posted: 3/2/2004 12:23:48 AM | Message Detail

Well, to try and get the conversation started again, what's everybody's status on the rpgs for the character contest? I've placed Chrono Trigger in the final, but I'm going to regret it when SMB3 smashes it into the ground. For the third year in a row I'm voting Crono, and hopefully this year it won't explode in my face.

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From: Mr Crispy | Posted: 3/2/2004 5:51:16 AM | Message Detail

Out of all the games I voted for, the only ones that made it were Phantasy Star 1, Metal Gear, and Metroid Prime.

I'm a bit upset that ZoE or Guilty Gear games didn't make the cut, and Torment should have had more recognition (even though I don't like the battle system).

I haven't actually filled out my bracket yet, though.

Looks like it's going to have some pretty crazy and close matchups already, though.

Considering my fairly recent discovery of the massive amount of engrish known as "Voltage Fighter Gowcaizer", I would probably spout off random quotes from the game to annoy my friends.

"I am the justice, not you."

"The justice always wins. Never forget it."

"Nothing wins the justice."

"Let's fight together for justice!"

"The fight is over. You lost it."

"How unique costume!"

"I must beat the evil."

"The evil has died."

"No humans beat me."

"The next fighter is strong. Download the final program."

"I'm lost. Please use my techniques!"

"You're never going to heaven."

Heck, I want to play it just for the engrish. And I'd probably play as Brider. Because he is the justice. And the justice always wins.

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From: Delin | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:29:49 AM | Message Detail

I got Chrono Trigger and FFVII in the last round with FFVII winning. I'm betting on fanboyism. I also like to pretend that some of the other games that I like will make it far, but I know thats not possible. Example: I want Starcraft to go into at least round two, but I know that it will be downed by Halo.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:50:48 AM | Message Detail

Yeah, ended up with FF7 vs CT. Well, PSIV has the potential, but it's not popular, and half of the people would be wondering what game this is.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 3/2/2004 8:04:34 AM | Message Detail

I went the fanboy route as well, with FFVII winning over Chrono Trigger. I still may change CT to Mario 3, though. That game has a LOT of fan base in the NES community.

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From: TechMaster | Posted: 3/2/2004 8:23:11 AM | Message Detail

I think I posted on another thread, but don't you think GameFAQs should hold a contest where none of the bigshot games are included? Like, exclude all FF, Zelda, Metroid, Mario, and etc. This is due to the trend being the more "famous" the game is, the better the chance is for the game to win in a (I'll say it bluntly) popularity contest such as these game/character battles, and often games that may be better overall but not as famous doesn't even get into the contest.

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From: Sweet Zo | Posted: 3/2/2004 10:23:10 AM | Message Detail

I still think Earthbound is the greatest game ever...

From: Fleck | Posted: 3/2/2004 12:59:54 PM | Message Detail

Oh boy, Sweet Zo, don't get Patrick started...

How far do you think Earthbound will actually get?

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From: Delin | Posted: 3/2/2004 3:22:12 PM | Message Detail

I got EB winning the second round and being downed by FF3 in round three. I also got Link downing FF3, but I think that that will never happen.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 3/2/2004 4:56:27 PM | Message Detail

i still think Earthbound should be crammed into a meat grinder.

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From: Camden | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:11:40 PM | Message Detail

I can't decide if I want to put Kingdom Hearts over Halo or not. The Xbox fanboy vote grows larger constantly, and with the PC version of Halo I might need to rethink that match.

Then I've got Castlevania over Perfect Dark, which I don't like. I've even got Castlevania over Goldeneye, which I'm probably going to change. Either way the winner loses to Zelda.

I've got Super Smash Brothers Melee going over Final Fantasy 10. Then, another one I might change, I've got Melee going over Wind Waker.

I think I posted on another thread, but don't you think GameFAQs should hold a contest where none of the bigshot games are included?

I don't think they should be excluded, but I think they should only get one entry. Final Fantasy and Zelda don't need to dominate in each division at once.

I got EB winning the second round and being downed by FF3 in round three. I also got Link downing FF3, but I think that that will never happen.

Earthbound shouldn't have any trouble with Doom, but Patricks fanboy vote will erase Earthbound in the next round. I've also got Link over FF3, which I'm banking on because everyone else seems to be putting FF3 forward. Got to take risks somewhere.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:26:07 PM | Message Detail

Patrick's fanboy vote? wtf?

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From: Delin | Posted: 3/2/2004 6:37:55 PM | Message Detail

I got EB winning the second round and being downed by FF3 in round three

Revision:I got EB winning the first round and being downed by FF3 in round two

I have Halo making it to round three only to get beat by Half-Life (that's one fine game let me tell you). I'd love to see starcraft beat Halo, but not in this lifetime. I have Half-Life going against FFVII in the Semis only to lose...even though that's wishful thinking. I can't believe one of those stupid dance game made it on the brackets.

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From: Camden | Posted: 3/2/2004 7:24:34 PM | Message Detail

Patrick's fanboy vote? wtf?

You like Final Fantasy 3 more than Earthbound. I'm the opposite. We disagree about it constantly, and bring it up in lots of topics. When it comes down to it, Final Fantasy is going to garner a hell of a lot more fanboy votes than Earthbound. I'm not saying your a fanboy, I'm saying the game associated with you has a hell of a lot of them.

Delin: Did you seriously put Half Life over Prime and Wind Waker? I don't see it happening, but if it does you've probably just won some games. That's a bold move, my friend.

I'm not even sure Halo will be there to beat it. Final Fantasy 7 fanboy votes might spill over for Kingdom Hearts.

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From: Delin | Posted: 3/2/2004 7:37:33 PM | Message Detail

Insane is more like it, but yes I did do that. Half-Life is a superior game to both. Let's put it this way Half0Life has one the top game of all time award (PC) for PC gamer and Computer Games Magazine five years in a row. The greatness of Half-Life isn't in the game itself (which is great) it comes from the near infinate number of different ways you can play it do to the mod community. You just can't get that with a console game. I must understand that most people here are people you believe that the PC gaming market is dead and that consoles rule. They're all idiots if you ask me. My opinion. You don't have to agree with me. I see plenty of life on the PC and I'm staying.

</love of PC games rant>

As for Kingdom Hearts...I don't know the best known X-box game v. a game that is only known in a few circles. I could be wrong, but you never know.

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From: Camden | Posted: 3/2/2004 8:05:10 PM | Message Detail

I've got nothing against PC games, and I don't live by the assumption that it's dead, I just have a **** computer, so I can't play very many new games. I've easily put hundreds of hours on Diablo 2 and Heroes 3, and I play quite a few freeware games. It's just that Gamefaqs is primarily a console site.

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From: Delin | Posted: 3/3/2004 5:04:22 AM | Message Detail

I didn't mean that you or anyone else that posts here thinks that. My point was that this is mostly a console site and PC games will be overlooked.

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From: Fleck | Posted: 3/3/2004 7:25:04 AM | Message Detail

I have Earthbound getting into the second round as well. I am still teetering on FF3 vs. CT. It is possible to have an all FF finals.

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From: PatrickPS2 | Posted: 3/3/2004 12:27:54 PM | Message Detail

i think i'm gonna play Earthbound... all the way through! lol... i've only played it about halfway through before, so i guess if i'm going to hate on it i need to have all the facts straight. :P

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From: Camden | Posted: 3/3/2004 12:30:11 PM | Message Detail

I didn't mean that you or anyone else that posts here thinks that. My point was that this is mostly a console site and PC games will be overlooked.

We sound like two public officials trying not to offend one another.

Fleck: I was thinking a four-way final fantasy, but at the same time I thought a four-way Zelda was possible as well. I have a Zelda game losing every division final.

At least we can be confident that the 8bit division was extremely easy to pick. The128 division is the hard one. Halo against Starcraft could change on a dime, then Halo on KH could go either way. I'm seeing more people banking on Prime than WW, I thought FF10 was a shoe in, but even I've changed over to SSBM now, which I've got over WW as well. That division is too damn close to call.

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