Seems to me this site has just been getting better and better! We just had a bunch of super cool games made by people who definitely put effort in (at least as much as you can in two-ish hours) and certainly have what I would consider 'trainwreck charm' (http://www.glorioustrainwrecks.com/node/4540).

I mean, yeah, we have new people and styles change, but that's a wonderful thing.

That this place welcomes ANYONE to pop in and make something, ANYTHING without worrying whether it meets somebody's standards is SUPER COOL.

I'm sorry. I should have dealt with this earlier, and better.

If you seriously have a problem with a 13-year-old kid enjoying making dumb games because they're not dumb in the way you like, then I don't know what to say to you. Glorious Trainwrecks is about making the games you want to make, and not letting outside pressures dictate what you make. It is a safe space to not get ridiculed for making games that don't conform to people's ideas of what games ought to be. It is a place where it should be okay to fail. I don't know how I could possibly be clearer about that.

I'm sorry to the community for not dealing more directly and visibly with hostile posts. People here don't need to be told their games or ideas are bad -- of course they're bad. It's in the name of the site. We should take for granted, as creators and as players, that the games here could always be better. Talking about what is interesting, or what ideas a game gave you, or things you might change -- that's good stuff. That's useful.

Leilei, I'm really sorry if you see this as a place where you can't do things you're proud of. I would be happy to take any suggestions (from anyone!) for what we could do as a community to improve that experience, so long as they are not at the expense of people who _are_ currently making things here that they're proud of. I promise to do what I can.

It says Make Games Constantly Forever. I happen to have run into this place because of a zzt event, but I was able to play a couple games here and there, doubtfully. You know, I kept getting errors and crashes at first because my 32 bit machine was still open to the idea, but gradually things settled in.

And I don't know about you, but mmf2 costs a lot of money. You have to really work hard at it see. When you get that program of course you want to make stuff in it. The clipart is vast. But there isn't enough. There never is.

Fact is, I would've commented sooner on the fora, but I'm more of an IRC person. You're only getting half the effect with fora.. Someone has to know your message is there, look for it, reply, think about it. IRC it's instant stream. You talk about all these empty threads.. you've made 4 threads, 2 already had replies on it. One of them could've been an event and you'd get replies. I've made a thread and got 0 replies, but I did manage to get 7 people to put some games in it. Instead of griping about only one thread you've made ever that didn't get replies, do something about it. Join IRC. REP THE UG.

And I don't know what you have against newgrounds. Maybe you're not getting the results you want. Just like you're not getting the results you want. Search better. I found theblueberryhill's games due to it and aren't they just glam? I put my stuff up on there with the newgrounds edition and I got hit, but I learned, and I learned others. Play a game and learn from it. There's been a lot going down that you haven't seen because you're only viewing half the ug. IRC isn't about just joining during events, it's about the any time. #glorioustrainwrecks on freenode. afterall how can you knock an ug if you only see half of it?

And I played lilith's fair too and liked it and commented. That was your last game and you posted it.. 2 years back? Just like a friend, when differences occur you have to wait for them to come around. Just put yourself in Kyle Hyde's shoes.

Smedis's glorious redemption was the first game I played. With it I learned about platforming, race car controlling, it basically showcases all the stuff that is possible. I then saw other examples, strong, linhat, mno, effbee, and it was due to them I finally delved into klik n play and the rest.

But yeah, he's doing it while, you're griping. If you have a problem with it get opera and right click and block whatever elements you want.. there's even a find an replace filter.. Or, be louder.

You're not very loud. Half the time I wanted to see if you ever joined IRC, maybe sending a PM, but how do you talk to someone online here? leave a pm and hope they see it on the top left? Leave a message on a random thread? You say things have become a certain way but you never stopped to touch base with the newcomers.. If you want coordination you should work at it. This place could be anything. Or you could move on and find your own ug and invite key members too and it could be your ug..

But it's anyone's for that moment. Make your own moment though. The fact that you're doing this so close to the holiday season, when there's so many wonderful games SURROUNDING us like mno's christmas one or the one called raft. So many genres, so many titles.

But consider this: In a bit ou're gonna be with members of family, unwrapping presents with the people you love, either your family or others... Remember that, which is why I am a little sided off but to give up. Mr. T didn't give up on Billy Greene while he was having it tough. There's still time, it's never too late. It's also never too early. Go for it Billy.